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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-bank-svb-financial-what-is-happening-299e9b65

    The article explains very well what is happening with Silicon Valley Bank. Many high-tech startups use it as their primary bank.

    So far I don't see SVB doing anything egregious, I don't see SVB being "too greedy." It puts its deposits in US Treasuries. Just very unfortunate timing with the confluence of events. :man-shrugging:

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      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Away
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            Free investment advice is worth what you paid for it.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              Free investment advice is worth what you paid for it.

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              @Mik said in Silicon Valley Bank / SVB Financial Group:

              Free investment advice is worth what you paid for it.

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              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                @Mik said in Silicon Valley Bank / SVB Financial Group:

                Free investment advice is worth what you paid for it.

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                Why is this Cramer guy still on the air? WTAF?

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
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                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    @jon-nyc "Something doesn't seem right..."

                    Ya think?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      @George-K said in Silicon Valley Bank / SVB Financial Group:

                      Is it me, or does he sound a little, well - drunk?

                      I was only joking

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                      • AxtremusA Away
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                        OK, those insider trades look very bad, may even be illegal.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          The company’s website is still up like nothing happened.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              This must suck.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                Home Depot co-founder torches ‘woke’ Silicon Valley Bank collapse, warns recession may be here already

                                Banks are more concerned with 'global warming' than shareholder returns, Bernie Marcus argued

                                That line will be repeated.

                                https://www.foxnews.com/media/home-depot-co-founder-torches-woke-silicon-valley-bank-collapse-warns-recession-here-already

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                                  Can Jon, or somebody who knows about this explain to me using words of one syllable or less why a bank would have uninsured deposits? Is it just that they will only insure up to a certain amount?

                                  I was only joking

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                                    I believe they grew so quickly from 2019-2021 that they couldn’t even lend out money fast enough. (Reminder, banks loan/invest their money to make a profit. Whether they are using clients money, I presume?… but prefer ignorance to be honest.) Anyway, since they couldn’t loan it fast enough they invested in a shit ton of government treasury bonds. Normally that would be fine and they’d make a profit after 10 years on the bonds, but once lots of companies started withdrawing funds, they had to sell a ton of their bonds early and take lots of losses, then once that word was out, everyone tried to withdraw last Thursday/Friday only to find out…oops!

                                    Something like that.

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      Can Jon, or somebody who knows about this explain to me using words of one syllable or less why a bank would have uninsured deposits? Is it just that they will only insure up to a certain amount?

                                      AxtremusA Away
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                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Silicon Valley Bank / SVB Financial Group:

                                      ... explain to me using words of one syllable or less why a bank would have uninsured deposits?

                                      https://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/1000-1200.html

                                      The law, the Federal Deposit Insurance Act, currently defines the term "standard maximum deposit insurance amount" to mean $250,000 per depositor.

                                      Most banks just go with that maximum when it comes to insuring depositors' money. So in most situations if you have more than $250,000 in a bank and that bank goes under, your first $250,000 is insured but any amount over $250,000 is not. If you spread your money across multiple banks such that no one bank has more than $250,000 of your deposits, that most likely all your deposits are insured.

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                                        The other problem with SVB, from what I understand, is that the minimum "cash on hand" amount had been lowered because ... COVID.

                                        IOW, banks used to be required to have a certain amount of liquid funds available should depositors request withdrawals. SVB played it close to the (newly adjusted lower) line. The bank also invested in long-term bonds, expecting great returns. When this became known, depositors said, "Gimme mah moneeee!"

                                        https://finance.yahoo.com/news/svb-spectacularly-fails-unthinkable-heresy-222710493.html

                                        In a meeting late last week, Moody’s Investors Service had bad news for SVB: the bank’s unrealized losses meant it was at serious risk of a credit downgrade, potentially of more than one level, according to a person familiar with the matter.

                                        That put SVB in a tough spot. To shore up its balance sheet, it would need to offload a large portion of its bond investments at a loss to increase its liquidity — potentially spooking depositors. But standing pat and getting hit with a multi-notch downgrade could trigger a similar exodus.

                                        SVB, along with its adviser, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., ultimately decided to sell the portfolio and announce a $2.25 billion equity deal, said the person, who requested anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. It was downgraded by Moody’s on Wednesday anyway.

                                        At the time, large mutual funds and hedge funds indicated interest in taking sizable positions in the shares, the person said.

                                        That is, until they realized how quickly the bank was hemorrhaging deposits, which only got worse on Thursday after a number of prominent venture capital firms, including Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund, were advising portfolio companies to pull money as a precaution.

                                        Around that same time, on Thursday afternoon, SVB was reaching out to its biggest clients, stressing that it was well-capitalized, had a high-quality balance sheet and “ample liquidity and flexibility,” according to a memo viewed by Bloomberg. Becker had a conference call in which he urged people to “stay calm.”

                                        But they were already too late.

                                        SVB “should have paid attention to the basics of banking: that similar depositors will walk in similar ways all at the same time,” said Daniel Cohen, former chairman of The Bancorp. “Bankers always overestimate the loyalty of their customers.”

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Again, banking law reform. I don't think we have to go back to the 1930's, but things have to tighten up.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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