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    Horace
    wrote on 4 Mar 2023, 20:45 last edited by
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    Why do you suppose my lawn has such inequity between the thriving brightly colored parts and the oppressed brown parts?

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    I do note that grass thrives when built on the burial mounds of red skinned natives. That explains a lot. These bright green spots of tall grass used to be fire ant mounds.

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    Education is extremely important.

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      Horace
      wrote on 4 Mar 2023, 20:47 last edited by
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      I am still working out my PhD thesis, but suffice to say that, in order to fix the problem, I'm training my dogs to pee and defecate on the thriving parts. It works in san francisco and it'll work here.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Copper
        wrote on 4 Mar 2023, 20:52 last edited by
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        Please explain that wood/aluminum fence.

        Why switch material and why in that location?

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          4 Mar 2023, 20:52

          Please explain that wood/aluminum fence.

          Why switch material and why in that location?

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          Horace
          wrote on 4 Mar 2023, 20:54 last edited by
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          @Copper said in Critical Lawn Theory:

          Please explain that wood/aluminum fence.

          Why switch material and why in that location?

          There's a water view to the left. But I don't see how that addresses systemic oppression of brown grass.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 4 Mar 2023, 21:19 last edited by
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            Centipede?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Friday
              wrote on 4 Mar 2023, 23:47 last edited by
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              Fungus?

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                Mik
                wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 00:25 last edited by
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                Hard scape ftw

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 00:47 last edited by
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                  Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                  Thinking of doing away with mine- or going to a low maintenance, low water ground cover. Have half the backyard that way - don’t love it but it is always green, needs virtually no water and as of last summer after four years, is truly low maintenance. You’ll have to check what is suitable for your growing zone. It’s a cheap fix but you need to kill off your existing lawn and weeds and rent a rototiller and roller, level it and get a load of garden mix and the seed. Mix and spread. Enjoy. It will be green.

                  Elbows up!

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                    George K
                    wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 01:06 last edited by
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                    I have nothing to add other than the fact that this thread reaffirms my hatred of yard work, gardening, etc.

                    Thanks for reinforcing my feelings, @Horace !

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • R Renauda
                      5 Mar 2023, 00:47

                      Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                      Thinking of doing away with mine- or going to a low maintenance, low water ground cover. Have half the backyard that way - don’t love it but it is always green, needs virtually no water and as of last summer after four years, is truly low maintenance. You’ll have to check what is suitable for your growing zone. It’s a cheap fix but you need to kill off your existing lawn and weeds and rent a rototiller and roller, level it and get a load of garden mix and the seed. Mix and spread. Enjoy. It will be green.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 01:32 last edited by
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                      @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                      Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                      Thinking of doing away with mine- or going to a low maintenance, low water ground cover. Have half the backyard that way - don’t love it but it is always green, needs virtually no water and as of last summer after four years, is truly low maintenance. You’ll have to check what is suitable for your growing zone. It’s a cheap fix but you need to kill off your existing lawn and weeds and rent a rototiller and roller, level it and get a load of garden mix and the seed. Mix and spread. Enjoy. It will be green.

                      I’m letting clover take over my back yard. Lawns are a huge waste and bad for the ground water.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • M Mik
                        5 Mar 2023, 01:32

                        @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                        Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                        Thinking of doing away with mine- or going to a low maintenance, low water ground cover. Have half the backyard that way - don’t love it but it is always green, needs virtually no water and as of last summer after four years, is truly low maintenance. You’ll have to check what is suitable for your growing zone. It’s a cheap fix but you need to kill off your existing lawn and weeds and rent a rototiller and roller, level it and get a load of garden mix and the seed. Mix and spread. Enjoy. It will be green.

                        I’m letting clover take over my back yard. Lawns are a huge waste and bad for the ground water.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 01:34 last edited by
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                        @Mik

                        Most of my no maintenance lawn cover is clover. Don’t mind it at all. Always green.

                        Elbows up!

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 02:35 last edited by
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                          Good for the bees, too.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Copper
                            wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 03:04 last edited by
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                            Is the problem too much water, or not enough?

                            It looks like the brown areas are at the lower elevations. The lower elevations are usually wetter - the water runs downhill. So, maybe too much water.

                            Too much water can prevent needed air from getting to the roots. It will also slow root growth. The roots will grow to get to the water in the soil. If they don't need to grow, they won't, at least not as much.

                            I can never figure out whether my problem is too much or too little.

                            Since the base under the sod is so new, the brown areas might be firmer and don't hold the water, so there is not enough on the brown areas. If that is the case, aeration might help loosen the soil. Annual aeration is usually a good idea anyway.

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                            • C Copper
                              5 Mar 2023, 03:04

                              Is the problem too much water, or not enough?

                              It looks like the brown areas are at the lower elevations. The lower elevations are usually wetter - the water runs downhill. So, maybe too much water.

                              Too much water can prevent needed air from getting to the roots. It will also slow root growth. The roots will grow to get to the water in the soil. If they don't need to grow, they won't, at least not as much.

                              I can never figure out whether my problem is too much or too little.

                              Since the base under the sod is so new, the brown areas might be firmer and don't hold the water, so there is not enough on the brown areas. If that is the case, aeration might help loosen the soil. Annual aeration is usually a good idea anyway.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 05:25 last edited by
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                              @Copper

                              Never heard of too much water on lawn grass. At least not in this part of the continent.

                              I do agree though about aerating lawns annually.

                              Elbows up!

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                                5 Mar 2023, 01:34

                                @Mik

                                Most of my no maintenance lawn cover is clover. Don’t mind it at all. Always green.

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 12:19 last edited by
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                                @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                Most of my no maintenance lawn cover is clover.

                                Mik, does clover spread?

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 12:25 last edited by
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                                  It does if you let it.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • F Friday
                                    4 Mar 2023, 23:47

                                    Fungus?

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 13:02 last edited by
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                                    @Friday said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                    Fungus?

                                    Most likely, with dog urine providing the fertilizer.

                                    I went back and looked, because I was wondering if he had St. Augustine grass. Sometimes, that will brown spot for different reasons.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      5 Mar 2023, 13:02

                                      @Friday said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                      Fungus?

                                      Most likely, with dog urine providing the fertilizer.

                                      I went back and looked, because I was wondering if he had St. Augustine grass. Sometimes, that will brown spot for different reasons.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 14:44 last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                      @Friday said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                      Fungus?

                                      Most likely, with dog urine providing the fertilizer.

                                      I went back and looked, because I was wondering if he had St. Augustine grass. Sometimes, that will brown spot for different reasons.

                                      Yes, that's what it is.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • R Renauda
                                        5 Mar 2023, 00:47

                                        Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                                        Thinking of doing away with mine- or going to a low maintenance, low water ground cover. Have half the backyard that way - don’t love it but it is always green, needs virtually no water and as of last summer after four years, is truly low maintenance. You’ll have to check what is suitable for your growing zone. It’s a cheap fix but you need to kill off your existing lawn and weeds and rent a rototiller and roller, level it and get a load of garden mix and the seed. Mix and spread. Enjoy. It will be green.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 14:45 last edited by
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                                        @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                        Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                                        HOA rules are that I have to use their grass. I'll try aerating and fertilizing.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • H Horace
                                          5 Mar 2023, 14:45

                                          @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                          Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                                          HOA rules are that I have to use their grass. I'll try aerating and fertilizing.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 5 Mar 2023, 14:58 last edited by
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                                          @Horace

                                          Interesting. Is there something that makes their grass seed mix special?

                                          I have no experience with HOAs. I think they probably exist here but only in outlying subdivisions built in the last twenty five years.

                                          Elbows up!

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