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  • MikM Mik

    @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

    Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

    Thinking of doing away with mine- or going to a low maintenance, low water ground cover. Have half the backyard that way - don’t love it but it is always green, needs virtually no water and as of last summer after four years, is truly low maintenance. You’ll have to check what is suitable for your growing zone. It’s a cheap fix but you need to kill off your existing lawn and weeds and rent a rototiller and roller, level it and get a load of garden mix and the seed. Mix and spread. Enjoy. It will be green.

    I’m letting clover take over my back yard. Lawns are a huge waste and bad for the ground water.

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    Renauda
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    @Mik

    Most of my no maintenance lawn cover is clover. Don’t mind it at all. Always green.

    Elbows up!

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      Mik
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      Good for the bees, too.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Copper
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        #13

        Is the problem too much water, or not enough?

        It looks like the brown areas are at the lower elevations. The lower elevations are usually wetter - the water runs downhill. So, maybe too much water.

        Too much water can prevent needed air from getting to the roots. It will also slow root growth. The roots will grow to get to the water in the soil. If they don't need to grow, they won't, at least not as much.

        I can never figure out whether my problem is too much or too little.

        Since the base under the sod is so new, the brown areas might be firmer and don't hold the water, so there is not enough on the brown areas. If that is the case, aeration might help loosen the soil. Annual aeration is usually a good idea anyway.

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        • CopperC Copper

          Is the problem too much water, or not enough?

          It looks like the brown areas are at the lower elevations. The lower elevations are usually wetter - the water runs downhill. So, maybe too much water.

          Too much water can prevent needed air from getting to the roots. It will also slow root growth. The roots will grow to get to the water in the soil. If they don't need to grow, they won't, at least not as much.

          I can never figure out whether my problem is too much or too little.

          Since the base under the sod is so new, the brown areas might be firmer and don't hold the water, so there is not enough on the brown areas. If that is the case, aeration might help loosen the soil. Annual aeration is usually a good idea anyway.

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          Renauda
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          @Copper

          Never heard of too much water on lawn grass. At least not in this part of the continent.

          I do agree though about aerating lawns annually.

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            @Mik

            Most of my no maintenance lawn cover is clover. Don’t mind it at all. Always green.

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            Catseye3
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            @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

            Most of my no maintenance lawn cover is clover.

            Mik, does clover spread?

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              Mik
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              It does if you let it.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • F Friday

                Fungus?

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                Jolly
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                @Friday said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                Fungus?

                Most likely, with dog urine providing the fertilizer.

                I went back and looked, because I was wondering if he had St. Augustine grass. Sometimes, that will brown spot for different reasons.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @Friday said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                  Fungus?

                  Most likely, with dog urine providing the fertilizer.

                  I went back and looked, because I was wondering if he had St. Augustine grass. Sometimes, that will brown spot for different reasons.

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                  @Jolly said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                  @Friday said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                  Fungus?

                  Most likely, with dog urine providing the fertilizer.

                  I went back and looked, because I was wondering if he had St. Augustine grass. Sometimes, that will brown spot for different reasons.

                  Yes, that's what it is.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                    Thinking of doing away with mine- or going to a low maintenance, low water ground cover. Have half the backyard that way - don’t love it but it is always green, needs virtually no water and as of last summer after four years, is truly low maintenance. You’ll have to check what is suitable for your growing zone. It’s a cheap fix but you need to kill off your existing lawn and weeds and rent a rototiller and roller, level it and get a load of garden mix and the seed. Mix and spread. Enjoy. It will be green.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #19

                    @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                    Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                    HOA rules are that I have to use their grass. I'll try aerating and fertilizing.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                      Aerate the lawn then try a load of garden mix and hardy playground grass seed. Water the hell out of it and see what happens. If you’re not satisfied - then like Mik says, hardscape it. Lawns are way overrated.

                      HOA rules are that I have to use their grass. I'll try aerating and fertilizing.

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                      Renauda
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                      @Horace

                      Interesting. Is there something that makes their grass seed mix special?

                      I have no experience with HOAs. I think they probably exist here but only in outlying subdivisions built in the last twenty five years.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Horace

                        Interesting. Is there something that makes their grass seed mix special?

                        I have no experience with HOAs. I think they probably exist here but only in outlying subdivisions built in the last twenty five years.

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                        @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                        @Horace

                        Interesting. Is there something that makes their grass seed mix special?

                        I have no experience with HOAs. I think they probably exist here but only in outlying subdivisions built in the last twenty five years.

                        I think Mik is the expert. IIRC, he sits on his HOA board...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                          @Horace

                          Interesting. Is there something that makes their grass seed mix special?

                          I have no experience with HOAs. I think they probably exist here but only in outlying subdivisions built in the last twenty five years.

                          I think Mik is the expert. IIRC, he sits on his HOA board...

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                          Catseye3
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                          @Jolly said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                          I think Mik is the expert. IIRC, he sits on his HOA board...

                          And Copper on his, am I right?

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #23

                            Dunno...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Horace

                              Interesting. Is there something that makes their grass seed mix special?

                              I have no experience with HOAs. I think they probably exist here but only in outlying subdivisions built in the last twenty five years.

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                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #24

                              @Renauda said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                              @Horace

                              Interesting. Is there something that makes their grass seed mix special?

                              I am told that some other grass is considered invasive, including Kentucky blue grass. To remove risk, they dictate exactly what you must use.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                @Jolly said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                I think Mik is the expert. IIRC, he sits on his HOA board...

                                And Copper on his, am I right?

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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by Copper
                                #25

                                @Catseye3 said in Critical Lawn Theory:

                                And Copper on his, am I right?

                                Chairman of the Communication Committee

                                I manage the Facebook group and web site.

                                And the welcome committee, which is the group who hand out coupons and a bottle of wine to new residents

                                And I know where the HOA rules are.

                                Here's one that surprises a lot of people: All roof vents shall be either painted black or another color matching the roof.

                                There are no white PVC pipes coming through our roofs, we are upscale!

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