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@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
I freaking love Peter Pan, it's a brilliant story. And it can totally work with Pan being Indian, black, whatever. But you don't just slap an ethnic kid in the role and say, "we've improved the story!" That's fucking obscene.
Disney has been "improving" classic children's fiction ever since they started making movies.
Like a said, there's no gophers in England hanging out with the talking teddy bears and psychotic stuffed tiggers.
If more people read the actual books perhaps they'd be aware of this.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:26 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
I freaking love Peter Pan, it's a brilliant story. And it can totally work with Pan being Indian, black, whatever. But you don't just slap an ethnic kid in the role and say, "we've improved the story!" That's fucking obscene.
Disney has been "improving" classic children's fiction ever since they started making movies.
And they used to do a great job of it. I'm friends with a guy who drew a lot of the stuff for Aladdin. The Disney of today can't hold a candle to what they had before, and their approach to storytelling has radically changed for the worse since the late 90s.
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Almost all of the classic fairy tales have a serious and in some cases dark and disturbing side to them.
Walt Disney covered them all in saccharine to make them more "family friendly", and foisted modern American moral and cultural values on us along with them.
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:29 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
That's completely untrue. Can you really not tell the difference between the original stories, what Walt's Disney created, and today's woke injections? You're not just swapping one thing for another.
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I do have an issue with departing from the author's vision. S/he created it; producers have a moral obligation to remain faithful to the author's intention. And like Aqua said, to do otherwise for PC is obscene. If movie makers want to create movies featuring other races, have at it, no problem, but let 'em write a new story.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:30 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Woke Disney:
I do have an issue with departing from the author's vision. S/he created it; producers have a moral obligation to remain faithful to the author's intention. And like Aqua said, to do otherwise for PC is obscene. If movie makers want to create movies featuring other races, have at it, no problem, but let 'em write a new story.
If you're going to portray ethnic minorities, at least have the decency to use a white actor dressed up to look foreign like they did in the old days.
Honestly, I won't watch this PC stuff, but I don't think Disney has ever been an organization particularly interested in artistic integrity.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
That's completely untrue. Can you really not tell the difference between the original stories, what Walt's Disney created, and today's woke injections? You're not just swapping one thing for another.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:32 last edited by Doctor Phibes 3 Feb 2023, 15:36@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
That's completely untrue. Can you really not tell the difference between the original stories, what Walt's Disney created, and today's woke injections? You're not just swapping one thing for another.
To be honest, I find much of the old Disney to be vomit-inducing. Aladdin was a great movie, primarily because of Robin Williams, but a lot of those old cartoons are pretty nasty. And not in a good way.
The original Jungle Book movie was great, mainly because of the music - did it really reflect what Kipling intended?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
That's completely untrue. Can you really not tell the difference between the original stories, what Walt's Disney created, and today's woke injections? You're not just swapping one thing for another.
To be honest, I find much of the old Disney to be vomit-inducing. Aladdin was a great movie, primarily because of Robin Williams, but a lot of those old cartoons are pretty nasty. And not in a good way.
The original Jungle Book movie was great, mainly because of the music - did it really reflect what Kipling intended?
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:37 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
That's completely untrue. Can you really not tell the difference between the original stories, what Walt's Disney created, and today's woke injections? You're not just swapping one thing for another.
To be honest, I find much of the old Disney to be vomit-inducing. Aladdin was a great movie, primarily because of Robin Williams, but a lot of those old cartoons are pretty nasty. And not in a good way.
That's all you're focusing on, though, that's all you're deciding to look at. You're looking at the red-faced chief in Peter Pan and deciding that's all the movie is.
Yes absolutely, that portrayal was culturally ignorant, insensitive, and racist. But other parts of the movie were brilliant. I'm not saying that makes it okay, or that one negates the other.
I'm saying today's Disney movies aren't brilliant at all. There's no real storytelling going on. You can see that through their lack of staying power and the fact that they literally have a different playbook they're operating under.
The new stories aren't bad because they're woke. They're bad because the stories are bad, and the woke shit on top of that isn't doing them any favors.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:37 last edited by Catseye3 3 Feb 2023, 15:42
During childhood one of my favorite books was The Jungle Book. I redd it many times, knew it by heart. I was sooo excited to anticipate the movie! And sooo bitterly disappointed to discover it was a cartoon -- a freaking cartoon.
Damn their eyes.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
That's completely untrue. Can you really not tell the difference between the original stories, what Walt's Disney created, and today's woke injections? You're not just swapping one thing for another.
To be honest, I find much of the old Disney to be vomit-inducing. Aladdin was a great movie, primarily because of Robin Williams, but a lot of those old cartoons are pretty nasty. And not in a good way.
That's all you're focusing on, though, that's all you're deciding to look at. You're looking at the red-faced chief in Peter Pan and deciding that's all the movie is.
Yes absolutely, that portrayal was culturally ignorant, insensitive, and racist. But other parts of the movie were brilliant. I'm not saying that makes it okay, or that one negates the other.
I'm saying today's Disney movies aren't brilliant at all. There's no real storytelling going on. You can see that through their lack of staying power and the fact that they literally have a different playbook they're operating under.
The new stories aren't bad because they're woke. They're bad because the stories are bad, and the woke shit on top of that isn't doing them any favors.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:42 last edited by Doctor Phibes 3 Feb 2023, 15:44@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
I'm saying today's Disney movies aren't brilliant at all. There's no real storytelling going on. You can see that through their lack of staying power and the fact that they literally have a different playbook they're operating under.
The new stories aren't bad because they're woke. They're bad because the stories are bad, and the woke shit on top of that isn't doing them any favors.Well, that's a different issue. This thread is really about the awfulness of wokeness, not the awfulness of modern Disney.
I haven't watched much Disney of late as my kids are too old, but some of the Pixar stuff that I remember was great - that's not really Disney, perhaps....
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wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 15:44 last edited by
It would be helpful if the Motion Picture Association of America gave us a simple rating system
Maybe a W for white
No, it would have to be C for Caucasian, W is for Woke, D for Democrat, and so on.
We could avoid a lot of the offense.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
I'm saying today's Disney movies aren't brilliant at all. There's no real storytelling going on. You can see that through their lack of staying power and the fact that they literally have a different playbook they're operating under.
The new stories aren't bad because they're woke. They're bad because the stories are bad, and the woke shit on top of that isn't doing them any favors.Well, that's a different issue. This thread is really about the awfulness of wokeness, not the awfulness of modern Disney.
I haven't watched much Disney of late as my kids are too old, but some of the Pixar stuff that I remember was great - that's not really Disney, perhaps....
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@Copper said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
Pixar
I believe Buzz Lightyear came out
Sorry
That's ok, as long as they don't show his Woody.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
I freaking love Peter Pan, it's a brilliant story. And it can totally work with Pan being Indian, black, whatever. But you don't just slap an ethnic kid in the role and say, "we've improved the story!" That's fucking obscene.
Another weird thing is that the point of the story's gotten lost in the sauce over the decades. Pan's not that great of a guy. The lost boys dressed up as animals because they lived like animals. There's a reason Wendy, John and Michael went home and didn't stay in Neverland.
Woke stories idolizing Pan are oddly prophetic if you know anything about the story and woke ideology.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 18:36 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
So, @Doctor-Phibes, how does it feel to be mistaken for Ax?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
So, @Doctor-Phibes, how does it feel to be mistaken for Ax?
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 18:46 last edited by@Axtremus said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
So, @Doctor-Phibes, how does it feel to be mistaken for Ax?
It was an insult.
'Tis the rare person who can create such a label.
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As for Peter Pan, just look at his last name, clearly the guy is Chinese.
Heck, it looks like he’s doing quite well in Taiwan too, not that Taiwan is Neverland.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 18:55 last edited by@Axtremus said in Woke Disney:
As for Peter Pan, just look at his last name, clearly the guy is Chinese.
Yeah, that's not what his name means.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 18:58 last edited by
Whatever it used to mean, these days it should mean pan sexual. Unless Disney hates gays.
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@Axtremus said in Woke Disney:
As for Peter Pan, just look at his last name, clearly the guy is Chinese.
Yeah, that's not what his name means.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 18:59 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Axtremus said in Woke Disney:
As for Peter Pan, just look at his last name, clearly the guy is Chinese.
Yeah, that's not what his name means.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
So, @Doctor-Phibes, how does it feel to be mistaken for Ax?
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 19:07 last edited by@Axtremus said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
So, @Doctor-Phibes, how does it feel to be mistaken for Ax?
I've been called much worse, and by better people.
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@Axtremus said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
So, @Doctor-Phibes, how does it feel to be mistaken for Ax?
I've been called much worse, and by better people.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 19:07 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Axtremus said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Woke Disney:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Woke Disney:
Fucking hell.
You're right. The idea that you could get anywhere near to hitting a flying child with a cannonball is frankly laughable.
Unless of course their balls were covered in pixie dust.
Ok, Ax.
So, @Doctor-Phibes, how does it feel to be mistaken for Ax?
I've been called much worse, and by better people.
Ok, Trump.
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wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 19:08 last edited by
Horace - putting the colon into the colony.
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Almost all of the classic fairy tales have a serious and in some cases dark and disturbing side to them.
Walt Disney covered them all in saccharine to make them more "family friendly", and foisted modern American moral and cultural values on us along with them.
The only difference now is that it's going in a direction that some people don't like.
wrote on 2 Mar 2023, 22:09 last edited by Renauda 3 Feb 2023, 22:21Almost all of the classic fairy tales have a serious and in some cases dark and disturbing side to them.
Dark and disturbing is putting it mildly. Some are plain sinister and morbid. Am sure they kept many a child awake at night with the terrors.
Our son from at least four years old would refuse to watch any of the Disney animated productions. Never said why other than he didn’t like them.
