6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you..."
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It’s insane. If I gave a kid in the neighborhood a book that contained those passages, I would face charges, probably lose my kid to CPS, and go on a sex offender list. But the librarian can smile and say if you like that, I have some more… So effin creepy.
I seriously don’t see any reasonable solution to this. The public school system is essentially broken and an entire generation of teachers have been taught that it’s okay and even preferable to keep parents uninformed and to teach kids they should hide things from their legal fucking guardians.
@LuFins-Dad said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
It’s insane. If I gave a kid in the neighborhood a book that contained those passages, I would face charges, probably lose my kid to CPS, and go on a sex offender list. But the librarian can smile and say if you like that, I have some more… So effin creepy.
I seriously don’t see any reasonable solution to this. The public school system is essentially broken and an entire generation of teachers have been taught that it’s okay and even preferable to keep parents uninformed and to teach kids they should hide things from their legal fucking guardians.
It's going to have to start in the Education departments of universities and at local school boards.
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@LuFins-Dad said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
It’s insane. If I gave a kid in the neighborhood a book that contained those passages, I would face charges, probably lose my kid to CPS, and go on a sex offender list. But the librarian can smile and say if you like that, I have some more… So effin creepy.
I seriously don’t see any reasonable solution to this. The public school system is essentially broken and an entire generation of teachers have been taught that it’s okay and even preferable to keep parents uninformed and to teach kids they should hide things from their legal fucking guardians.
It's going to have to start in the Education departments of universities and at local school boards.
@Jolly said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
@LuFins-Dad said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
It’s insane. If I gave a kid in the neighborhood a book that contained those passages, I would face charges, probably lose my kid to CPS, and go on a sex offender list. But the librarian can smile and say if you like that, I have some more… So effin creepy.
I seriously don’t see any reasonable solution to this. The public school system is essentially broken and an entire generation of teachers have been taught that it’s okay and even preferable to keep parents uninformed and to teach kids they should hide things from their legal fucking guardians.
It's going to have to start in the Education departments of universities and at local school boards.
The school board level is where I think you might see a “red tide” over the next 3-4 years. But even then, what do you do? How do you filter out all of the administrators and teachers that think this is okay? That they have the right and responsibility to promote this crap AND tell the kids to not tell their parents? I’m starting to feel like half our educators need to not be fired, but face jail time.
By the way, I think it’s safe to say that everyone on the board knows that Finley will not be stepping foot in any Northern VA Schools?
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I wonder what are the demographics of these school teachers on the front lines of the culture wars, pushing their progressive agenda? Progressive white women and feminized men, by and large? Those are your soldiers in the culture war, fueled by mindless righteousness and a God-given authority to deprogram your children from your evil ways.
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It's helpful to have a child read those excerpts than some annoying parent. That being said, I feel like there should be a pretty basic rule for school libraries to keep out content that is pornographic or obscene or whatever the term would be. That being said, let's remember these kids have access to the internet, so there is no limitation to what they can find on their own these days. Sex scenes between Nick and Charlie might seem quite innocent compared to the gutter of content that is out there.
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It's helpful to have a child read those excerpts than some annoying parent. That being said, I feel like there should be a pretty basic rule for school libraries to keep out content that is pornographic or obscene or whatever the term would be. That being said, let's remember these kids have access to the internet, so there is no limitation to what they can find on their own these days. Sex scenes between Nick and Charlie might seem quite innocent compared to the gutter of content that is out there.
@89th said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
It's helpful to have a child read those excerpts than some annoying parent. That being said, I feel like there should be a pretty basic rule for school libraries to keep out content that is pornographic or obscene or whatever the term would be. That being said, let's remember these kids have access to the internet, so there is no limitation to what they can find on their own these days. Sex scenes between Nick and Charlie might seem quite innocent compared to the gutter of content that is out there.
That may be, but that doesn’t mean it’s OK in schools.
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@89th said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
It's helpful to have a child read those excerpts than some annoying parent. That being said, I feel like there should be a pretty basic rule for school libraries to keep out content that is pornographic or obscene or whatever the term would be. That being said, let's remember these kids have access to the internet, so there is no limitation to what they can find on their own these days. Sex scenes between Nick and Charlie might seem quite innocent compared to the gutter of content that is out there.
That may be, but that doesn’t mean it’s OK in schools.
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@Mik Agreed. Not sure why it's so hard for schools to realize pornographic content in books is a good reason to exclude them from the school library.
@89th said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
@Mik Agreed. Not sure why it's so hard for schools to realize pornographic content in books is a good reason to exclude them from the school library.
Because if you do exclude them, it makes it so much harder for the pedophiles, the LBTQ groomers and the teachers who want to screw their students, to achieve their ultimate goals.
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but. . . but. . . I don't think this is pornography, so how DARE you try removing this book from the school library?
This issue was not infrequent over the years I was a school board member. Frankly, it was not as explosive in the community as other issues.
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“Push” vs “pull.”
Imposition vs. voluntary retrieval.A book sitting on a shelf hurts no one. Someone has to “pull” it off the shelf for it to have any effect, and such “pulling” is a willful, voluntary act.
A book actively given or assigned (or “pushed”) to someone is a different matter; here you impose the content on someone.
For a free society I am more inclined to err on the side of being “too inclusive” rather than “too exclusionary” when it comes to making books available in libraries. That way the citizenry have choices.
As for the getting a six-grader to read certain books … whoever asked or gave the book to the six grader should ask himself why he feels it is inappropriate to let the book sit on a shelf while he feels it is appropriate to give that book to a six grader or ask a six grader to read that book.
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“Push” vs “pull.”
Imposition vs. voluntary retrieval.A book sitting on a shelf hurts no one. Someone has to “pull” it off the shelf for it to have any effect, and such “pulling” is a willful, voluntary act.
A book actively given or assigned (or “pushed”) to someone is a different matter; here you impose the content on someone.
For a free society I am more inclined to err on the side of being “too inclusive” rather than “too exclusionary” when it comes to making books available in libraries. That way the citizenry have choices.
As for the getting a six-grader to read certain books … whoever asked or gave the book to the six grader should ask himself why he feels it is inappropriate to let the book sit on a shelf while he feels it is appropriate to give that book to a six grader or ask a six grader to read that book.
@Axtremus said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
“Push” vs “pull.”
Imposition vs. voluntary retrieval.Do you have any porn on the shelves at your house?
I assume you don't. Would you object to someone putting some "interesting" DVD's on the shelves of your bookcase? Assuming, of course you have the room.
If you object, would it be on the basis of something you "don't want" in your house, or would it be because it's pornographic?
Or, if I had such media in my home, and you came to visit, would you object to your 10 year old pulling it off my shelf and popping it into the DVD player?
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@Axtremus said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
“Push” vs “pull.”
Imposition vs. voluntary retrieval.Do you have any porn on the shelves at your house?
I assume you don't. Would you object to someone putting some "interesting" DVD's on the shelves of your bookcase? Assuming, of course you have the room.
If you object, would it be on the basis of something you "don't want" in your house, or would it be because it's pornographic?
Or, if I had such media in my home, and you came to visit, would you object to your 10 year old pulling it off my shelf and popping it into the DVD player?
@George-K , I do not have pornography on my shelves. I also do not have, say, an encyclopedia or a telephone book on my shelf. The reason is not because I object to pornography or encyclopedia or telephone book; it’s because it’s so much easier to access these contents on the Internet in this day and age that it makes little practical sense to keep any of these on a shelf.
Not sure if you ever leave an illustrated surgery text book on a shelf. I would worry no more about a minor imitating surgeries from seeing a surgery text book than about a minor imitating sex acts just from seeing printed pornography. We can also consider the case of scriptures with tales of fratricides. I would similarly not worry more about a minor imitating fratricide just from reading scripture than about a minor imitating sex acts from just seeing printed pornography.
The more worrying comparison would be “(loaded) firearm on a shelf” or “heavy object on a shelf.” (Yes, a “heavy object” may be a physically heavy book.) These are cases where, if the firearm or heavy object is pulled from the shelf by a minor, can lead to serious injuries or even death. I would worry more about these (firearms and heavy objects) on a shelf more than I worry about any printed document on a shelf when they are within reach of a minor.
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@George-K , I do not have pornography on my shelves. I also do not have, say, an encyclopedia or a telephone book on my shelf. The reason is not because I object to pornography or encyclopedia or telephone book; it’s because it’s so much easier to access these contents on the Internet in this day and age that it makes little practical sense to keep any of these on a shelf.
Not sure if you ever leave an illustrated surgery text book on a shelf. I would worry no more about a minor imitating surgeries from seeing a surgery text book than about a minor imitating sex acts just from seeing printed pornography. We can also consider the case of scriptures with tales of fratricides. I would similarly not worry more about a minor imitating fratricide just from reading scripture than about a minor imitating sex acts from just seeing printed pornography.
The more worrying comparison would be “(loaded) firearm on a shelf” or “heavy object on a shelf.” (Yes, a “heavy object” may be a physically heavy book.) These are cases where, if the firearm or heavy object is pulled from the shelf by a minor, can lead to serious injuries or even death. I would worry more about these (firearms and heavy objects) on a shelf more than I worry about any printed document on a shelf when they are within reach of a minor.
@Axtremus see my last question: "Or, if I had such media in my home, and you came to visit, would you object to your 10 year old pulling it off my shelf and popping it into the DVD player?"
Would you object to your 10 year old watching some porn at my house? I wouldn't push it, of course. If s/he found it and was able to access it, would object?
Do you allow your kids to watch internet porn? If not, why?
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It's not really a question of allowing it. Preventing it would be aq full time job.
Did our parents allow us to look at the Penthouse magazine our buddy stole from his big brother?
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It's not really a question of allowing it. Preventing it would be aq full time job.
Did our parents allow us to look at the Penthouse magazine our buddy stole from his big brother?
@jon-nyc said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
Did our parents allow us to look at the Penthouse magazine our buddy stole from his big brother?
Stealing it from your brother and sharing is not quite the same as walking into a library is it?
For that matter, why doesn't a library have Penthouse, or Hustler, or Barely Legal?
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@jon-nyc said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
Did our parents allow us to look at the Penthouse magazine our buddy stole from his big brother?
Stealing it from your brother and sharing is not quite the same as walking into a library is it?
For that matter, why doesn't a library have Penthouse, or Hustler, or Barely Legal?
@George-K said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
@jon-nyc said in 6th grader to school board: "Let me read to you...":
Did our parents allow us to look at the Penthouse magazine our buddy stole from his big brother?
Stealing it from your brother and sharing is not quite the same as walking into a library is it?
For that matter, why doesn't a library have Penthouse, or Hustler, or Barely Legal?
And have the librarian wink at you and say “if you like that, I have some just like it”…
