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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    To expand on my earlier post. Baldwin Artist Grands in the 80’s and 90’s were as fine of an instrument as could be found. There were a few quality control issues that mostly affected the instruments in the late 90’s but even then fine instruments could be found. The key is having a good technician go over them from top to bottom.

    But the financial problems they suffered in the early 2000s and all of the crap that happened with Gibson drove down the perception of the brand. It the fallboards said Steinway, those L’s would cost $45K. Just have a good technical evaluation. Check for warped or split action rails or splitting bridges in particular.

    If there is a Steinway for 25K it is likely in need of extensive repairs or is in decent playing shape now but will need extensive work in 10 years, leaving the dealer in a weird spot of deciding whether to rebuild it or not.

    Mason? When was it rebuilt, who rebuilt it, how good was the end result? $40K is way too much when you have those Baldwins available for so much less.

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    @LuFins-Dad said in Considering a grand:

    To expand on my earlier post. Baldwin Artist Grands in the 80’s and 90’s were as fine of an instrument as could be found. There were a few quality control issues that mostly affected the instruments in the late 90’s but even then fine instruments could be found. The key is having a good technician go over them from top to bottom.

    But the financial problems they suffered in the early 2000s and all of the crap that happened with Gibson drove down the perception of the brand. It the fallboards said Steinway, those L’s would cost $45K. Just have a good technical evaluation. Check for warped or split action rails or splitting bridges in particular.

    If there is a Steinway for 25K it is likely in need of extensive repairs or is in decent playing shape now but will need extensive work in 10 years, leaving the dealer in a weird spot of deciding whether to rebuild it or not.

    Mason? When was it rebuilt, who rebuilt it, how good was the end result? $40K is way too much when you have those Baldwins available for so much less.

    Thanks LD! I will check them out today.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      Used pianos, all comes down to their conditions.
      Looks like you have a very nice space for the piano.
      Don’t know if you have ever mentioned it, does Mrs. Horace play the piano?
      In any case, good luck with your quest for a grand piano.

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      @Axtremus said in Considering a grand:

      Used pianos, all comes down to their conditions.
      Looks like you have a very nice space for the piano.
      Don’t know if you have ever mentioned it, does Mrs. Horace play the piano?
      In any case, good luck with your quest for a grand piano.

      Thanks Ax. No she doesn’t play. But has expressed interest in learning.

      Education is extremely important.

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        This is interesting...The Chinese Piano lady...

        https://chinesepianolady.net/#about

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          This is interesting...The Chinese Piano lady...

          https://chinesepianolady.net/#about

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          @Jolly said in Considering a grand:

          This is interesting...The Chinese Piano lady...

          https://chinesepianolady.net/#about

          Good resource, thanks Jolly.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Caveat: I don't know her from Eve. She's the product of an internet search and for all I know, could be a cereal killer.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Caveat: I don't know her from Eve. She's the product of an internet search and for all I know, could be a cereal killer.

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              @Jolly said in Considering a grand:

              Caveat: I don't know her from Eve. She's the product of an internet search and for all I know, could be a cereal killer.

              Magic Spoon is the cereal killer. I’m getting my first delivery today as chance would have it.

              Education is extremely important.

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                For me it was a hard boiled egg and cranberry walnut toast.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  For me it was a hard boiled egg and cranberry walnut toast.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Considering a grand:

                  For me it was a hard boiled egg and cranberry walnut toast.

                  Cranberry walnut toast is my go-to bread these days.

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                    There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                    Link to video

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                    • kluursK kluurs

                      There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                      Link to video

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                      I looked at a couple SFs. They were both studio and concert pianos and were very used. Both needed work to be their best. That’s not a piano many put in their homes.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @Jolly said in Considering a grand:

                        Caveat: I don't know her from Eve. She's the product of an internet search and for all I know, could be a cereal killer.

                        Magic Spoon is the cereal killer. I’m getting my first delivery today as chance would have it.

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                        @Horace said in Considering a grand:

                        Magic Spoon is the cereal killer. I’m getting my first delivery today as chance would have it.

                        I go back and forth, every other day, Cheerios - Corn Chex

                        I have never heard of Magic Spoon.

                        But I'm willing to try something new, let's check Magic Spoon vs Cheerios
                        https://knoji.com/compare/magicspoon-vs-cheerios/

                        Magic Spoon wins 4.2 to 3.9 but the methodology is questionable

                        How about cost on Amazon?
                        Between $1.07 and 1.81 per ounce for Magic Spoon

                        Between $0.25 and $0.27 per ounce for Cheerios

                        Cheerios wins

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                          This reviewer says that Magic Spoon stuck to her teeth.

                          Is that why you pay extra?

                          Link to video

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                          • kluursK kluurs

                            There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                            Link to video

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                            @kluurs said in Considering a grand:

                            There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                            Link to video

                            That sounds great. But sadly, it seems I overestimated my wife's enthusiasm for this project. Well, I'll still check out those Baldwins today. I hope they don't sound too good. My heart will be broken.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • kluursK kluurs

                              There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                              Link to video

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                              @kluurs said in Considering a grand:

                              There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                              Link to video

                              Don or Sam Bennett in the Atlanta area.

                              Don's shop redid all of LSU's stuff after a flood a few years ago. I'd trust them.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @kluurs said in Considering a grand:

                                There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                                Link to video

                                Don or Sam Bennett in the Atlanta area.

                                Don's shop redid all of LSU's stuff after a flood a few years ago. I'd trust them.

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                                @Jolly said in Considering a grand:

                                @kluurs said in Considering a grand:

                                There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                                Link to video

                                Don or Sam Bennett in the Atlanta area.

                                Don's shop redid all of LSU's stuff after a flood a few years ago. I'd trust them.

                                This listing is not for Don Bennett's shop. That's all I will say regarding A440.

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @Jolly said in Considering a grand:

                                  @kluurs said in Considering a grand:

                                  There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                                  Link to video

                                  Don or Sam Bennett in the Atlanta area.

                                  Don's shop redid all of LSU's stuff after a flood a few years ago. I'd trust them.

                                  This listing is not for Don Bennett's shop. That's all I will say regarding A440.

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Considering a grand:

                                  @Jolly said in Considering a grand:

                                  @kluurs said in Considering a grand:

                                  There's an SF10 in Altanta on ebay. They'll deliver for $15K. I suspect they'll do better and you'd need a tech to review their "refurbishing."

                                  Link to video

                                  Don or Sam Bennett in the Atlanta area.

                                  Don's shop redid all of LSU's stuff after a flood a few years ago. I'd trust them.

                                  This listing is not for Don Bennett's shop. That's all I will say regarding A440.

                                  No, their shop is PianoWorks. I was just talking about who i would trust in that area to look at a piano for me.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    The two Baldwins were pretty good. I liked the wood finish one most. The MH was comically bad in every possible way. The Steinway was pretty awful sounding too.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      The two Baldwins were pretty good. I liked the wood finish one most. The MH was comically bad in every possible way. The Steinway was pretty awful sounding too.

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                                      @Horace said in Considering a grand:

                                      The two Baldwins were pretty good. I liked the wood finish one most. The MH was comically bad in every possible way. The Steinway was pretty awful sounding too.

                                      In your neck of the woods, watch out for the Juarez Steinway rebuilds.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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