Thousands of lives ruined

[jon-nyc]

I used to think that the country would have been better off if they had opened fire with automatic weapons when the police barricades were first breeched.

My reasoning wasn’t so much wanting them all dead, rather that there should be some serious downside to attempting such a thing, besides “it probably won’t work”.

I no longer believe that. I think the relentless efforts of the DoJ in bringing these guys to justice - IOW the very acts that Jolly gets so riled up about- have served the same ultimate purpose without the bloodshed.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Thousands of lives ruined:

I used to think that the country would have been better off if they had opened fire with automatic weapons when the police barricades were first breeched.

My reasoning wasn’t so much wanting them all dead, rather that there should be some serious downside to attempting such a thing, besides “it probably won’t work”.

I no longer believe that. I think the relentless efforts of the DoJ in bringing these guys to justice - IOW the very acts that Jolly gets so riled up about- have served the same ultimate purpose without the bloodshed.

Yes I remember your fantasies about mowing down magats on the lawn if they breached the white house gates. It’s good that with some emotional distance and some tangible observed non lethal punishment, your bloodlust can be slaked by other means.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace

Well it wasn’t a fantasy about the white house, it was a simple statement of fact that no one here disputed - that is, if such a mob had descended upon and breeched the whitehouse the secret service would have gone, quite literally, ballistic. To this day no one has claimed to believe otherwise.

And as I indicated it wasn’t blood lust driving the desire for some kind of similar treatment of the Capitol. As I said back in 2021 and again in my previous post, it is necessary that these indoctrinated doofuses see a significant downside that will prevent similar crimes in the future. I think the diligence of the DoJ has provided that. If it were bloodlust I were trying to satisfy then clearly I would find the DoJ’s efforts lacking.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Thousands of lives ruined:

I used to think that the country would have been better off if they had opened fire with automatic weapons when the police barricades were first breeched.

My reasoning wasn’t so much wanting them all dead, rather that there should be some serious downside to attempting such a thing, besides “it probably won’t work”.

I no longer believe that. I think the relentless efforts of the DoJ in bringing these guys to justice - IOW the very acts that Jolly gets so riled up about- have served the same ultimate purpose without the bloodshed.

Never forget. you, and all you ever were or are going to be, will be frozen in time with the application of four pounds of pressure.

Be careful what you wish for...

[jon-nyc]

I’m not sure I understand. Let’s stick with the classic momento mori and leave it at that.

But sure, I will very carefully wish that these indoctrinated doofuses see sufficient downside not to repeat this.

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in Thousands of lives ruined:

Around the 1:38 mark

Link to video

Thanks. I must admit to being caught off guard by the fact that the US Capitol is secured by frigging laminated glass.

I also am surprised by the lack of tear gas, high pressure hoses, and other riot measures that weren’t implemented.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Thousands of lives ruined:

I’m not sure I understand. Let’s stick with the classic momento mori and leave it at that.

But sure, I will very carefully wish that these indoctrinated doofuses see sufficient downside not to repeat this.

Once you go down the road of killing indiscriminately for political gain, the trigger pressure of a Glock is around four pounds. One 115g hollowpoint in your ear, means a closed casket funeral.

And anybody can pull a trigger...

[xenon]

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@89th said in Thousands of lives ruined:

Around the 1:38 mark

Link to video

Thanks. I must admit to being caught off guard by the fact that the US Capitol is secured by frigging laminated glass.

I also am surprised by the lack of tear gas, high pressure hoses, and other riot measures that weren’t implemented.

Not having riot gear at the Capitol has worked for hundreds of years so far.

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly Shooting people who have violently breached a seat of government is hardly indiscriminate.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@Jolly Shooting people who have violently breached a seat of government is hardly indiscriminate.

Tell that to Antifa. they've set federal buildings on fire with nary a shot in their general direction.

[LuFins Dad]

@xenon said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@89th said in Thousands of lives ruined:

Around the 1:38 mark

Link to video

Thanks. I must admit to being caught off guard by the fact that the US Capitol is secured by frigging laminated glass.

I also am surprised by the lack of tear gas, high pressure hoses, and other riot measures that weren’t impleme

Not having riot gear at the Capitol has worked for hundreds of years so far.

Not at all. They have it on site and have deployed it on hundreds of occasions.

[xenon]

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@xenon said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@89th said in Thousands of lives ruined:

Around the 1:38 mark

Link to video

Thanks. I must admit to being caught off guard by the fact that the US Capitol is secured by frigging laminated glass.

I also am surprised by the lack of tear gas, high pressure hoses, and other riot measures that weren’t impleme

Not having riot gear at the Capitol has worked for hundreds of years so far.

Not at all. They have it on site and have deployed it on hundreds of occasions.

I think you're right. Just did some quick googling. Does show that the Capitol police is not very good at anticipating and quelling riots.

Maybe the leaders and individual officers deserve to be replaced, but it's still not their fault.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@xenon said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@89th said in Thousands of lives ruined:

Around the 1:38 mark

Link to video

Thanks. I must admit to being caught off guard by the fact that the US Capitol is secured by frigging laminated glass.

I also am surprised by the lack of tear gas, high pressure hoses, and other riot measures that weren’t impleme

Not having riot gear at the Capitol has worked for hundreds of years so far.

Not at all. They have it on site and have deployed it on hundreds of occasions.

I think you're right. Just did some quick googling. Does show that the Capitol police is not very good at anticipating and quelling riots.

Maybe the leaders and individual officers deserve to be replaced, but it's still not their fault.

Maybe Pelosi should have listened to the Trump team when they offered troops.

[xenon]

@Jolly said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@xenon said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@xenon said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@LuFins-Dad said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@89th said in Thousands of lives ruined:

Around the 1:38 mark

Link to video

Thanks. I must admit to being caught off guard by the fact that the US Capitol is secured by frigging laminated glass.

I also am surprised by the lack of tear gas, high pressure hoses, and other riot measures that weren’t impleme

Not having riot gear at the Capitol has worked for hundreds of years so far.

Not at all. They have it on site and have deployed it on hundreds of occasions.

I think you're right. Just did some quick googling. Does show that the Capitol police is not very good at anticipating and quelling riots.

Maybe the leaders and individual officers deserve to be replaced, but it's still not their fault.

Maybe Pelosi should have listened to the Trump team when they offered troops.

Yes, maybe they should have. But, maybe the Trump team should have told Trump that they told Pelosi the Capitol needed protection from his mob.

[jon-nyc]

I’m a little curious just what tools the secret service has on hand to neutralize overwhelming crowds. I bet it’s more than tear gas and fire hoses. I’m sure they’ve gamed various scenarios even before 1/6.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Thousands of lives ruined:

I’m a little curious just what tools the secret service has on hand to neutralize overwhelming crowds. I bet it’s more than tear gas and fire hoses. I’m sure they’ve gamed various scenarios even before 1/6.

At the White House? Outside?

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad Seems like 2 different questions - what they have vs what scenarios would lead to their deployment. But I’m talking specifically about protecting the White House and its occupants.

[LuFins Dad]

I had thought that when President Obama’s really good friends planted and detonated bombs in the Capitol back in 71 that they had built in much better security measures? Shutters for the windows, interior gates, etc…

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Thousands of lives ruined:

@Horace

Well it wasn’t a fantasy about the white house, it was a simple statement of fact that no one here disputed - that is, if such a mob had descended upon and breeched the whitehouse the secret service would have gone, quite literally, ballistic. To this day no one has claimed to believe otherwise.

And as I indicated it wasn’t blood lust driving the desire for some kind of similar treatment of the Capitol. As I said back in 2021 and again in my previous post, it is necessary that these indoctrinated doofuses see a significant downside that will prevent similar crimes in the future. I think the diligence of the DoJ has provided that. If it were bloodlust I were trying to satisfy then clearly I would find the DoJ’s efforts lacking.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot, in another thought experiment. Do you suppose it would squash social justice rioting and looting in the future, if rioters and looters were treated with unapologetic violence?

[Horace]

I would note also, that curiously absent from the fantasies of those who purport to only be concerned with the stability of our Democracy, is woulda coulda shoulda scenarios in which Capitol security was better, and January 6 was thus a forgotten footnote, about idiots pounding futilely on locked doors.