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  • HoraceH Horace

    Last week, conservative comedian/commentator Steven Crowder started a war with Daily Wire, over a contract offer he received from them. DW is the conservative media company founded by Ben Shapiro, which currently employs some big names such as Jordan Peterson and Matt Walsh. Crowder's complaints, at least as he relates them publicly, are that the contract states that, in return for his 12.5m/year fee, he agrees not to get censored by the platforms that host him. If he does get banned, and DW is unable to monetize him, then his fee is reduced. This is already the world Crowder lives in, where he would make less money if he was kicked off the platforms where 99% of his audience consumes his content. But seeing it written in a contract offer apparently made him see red, and now he's going scorched earth with people who were his friends and allies. He is accusing them of forcing their employees to toe the big tech censorship lines, and of thus being in bed with big tech.

    His first volley:

    Link to video

    Daily Wire's response, in which their CEO explains the contract offer word by word:

    Link to video

    Crowder's next response, in which he plays a secretly recorded conversation with the DW CEO:

    Link to video

    I think this situation highlights how sneaky human psychology can be, as it uses righteous indignation to motivate self-interested behavior. I think Crowder's indignation is real, if completely bizarre and incoherent. And he's using it to strike out on his own and attempt to create another media company which will compete with Daily Wire. It's rare to see a well-encapsulated situation, easily understandable, where all the information is public, where it's so obvious that a person's subconscious is just using righteousness to smuggle in a play for personal advantage. And this from a guy who would be among the first to condemn this behavior in others. It's pretty sad.

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    Doctor Phibes
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    @Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

    12.5m/year fee

    Fucking hell.

    He gets that just for talking?

    Am I missing something here?

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

      12.5m/year fee

      Fucking hell.

      He gets that just for talking?

      Am I missing something here?

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      Horace
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      #10

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

      @Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

      12.5m/year fee

      Fucking hell.

      He gets that just for talking?

      Am I missing something here?

      Apparently we all miss the massive market opportunity of selling gold to old people, after capturing their attention with conservative antics on youtube.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

        @Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

        12.5m/year fee

        Fucking hell.

        He gets that just for talking?

        Am I missing something here?

        Apparently we all miss the massive market opportunity of selling gold to old people, after capturing their attention with conservative antics on youtube.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        @Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

        @Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

        12.5m/year fee

        Fucking hell.

        He gets that just for talking?

        Am I missing something here?

        Apparently we all miss the massive market opportunity of selling gold to old people, after capturing their attention with conservative antics on youtube.

        Once again, I'm left thinking about the Golgafrinchans.

        I was only joking

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          Horace
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          I'm imagining Crowder's response, should anybody alert him to the underlying self-serving nonsense his subconscious is using to puppeteer him. I bet he would find it totally insufferable that anybody could dare tell him why he thinks and feels as he does.

          As the great Jordan Peterson states, we are not experts about ourselves, and our underlying motivations for our thoughts and feels. Far, far from it.

          That's probably why people react so strongly when confronted with clear examinations of their own subconscious motivations. Nothing stings like a scary and unutterable truth.

          Education is extremely important.

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            89th
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            Babylon responds:

            Link to video

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            • 89th8 89th

              Babylon responds:

              Link to video

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              Horace
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              @89th said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

              Babylon responds:

              Link to video

              Speaking of scary and unutterable truths.

              Education is extremely important.

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                taiwan_girl
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                Never heard of him. LOL (but I dont think I have hear of the Daily Wire either). But I guess I am not their "demographic"

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                  Horace
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                  Link to video

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    George K
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                    I haven't followed this story much at all.

                    It just makes me think of a couple of 6-year-olds having a spat on the playground, with each one saying "You started it!"

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      I haven't followed this story much at all.

                      It just makes me think of a couple of 6-year-olds having a spat on the playground, with each one saying "You started it!"

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                      jon-nyc
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                      @George-K Me neither and I can’t get myself to watch any of these videos.

                      You were warned.

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                        Horace
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                        Thank you for the courtesy of letting me know that your lack of contributions to the thread are due to disinterest, rather than a lack of time, or distractions. I had been wondering.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          I have some passing interest, like when you drive by an active accident scene, but not quite enough to watch first person videos from the principals involved.

                          You were warned.

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                            George K
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                            I've watched, perhaps, two of Crowder's shows. The thing that really impressed me, and not in a good way, is that he was in the studio, sitting behind a mic, wearing a shoulder holster.

                            If there's such a thing as "losing all your credibility in one moment," that was it as far as I was concerned.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              I have some passing interest, like when you drive by an active accident scene, but not quite enough to watch first person videos from the principals involved.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:

                              I have some passing interest, like when you drive by an active accident scene, but not quite enough to watch first person videos from the principals involved.

                              Thank you again. That will allow me to more accurately track your interest level in this subject. Actually the last video I posted was a synopsis by a psychologist YouTuber I follow. He gives hot takes on all things pop culture.

                              If you do watch the video, I have a questionnaire for you to fill out regarding your engagement level with it. I would like to set you up with some biometric equipment which measure heart rate, eye blinks, respiration, and posture. This will be invaluable data for me and my team as we continue to study your interest level in various threads.

                              Education is extremely important.

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