Alec Baldwin Charged
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wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 21:03 last edited by
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wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 21:18 last edited by
Not sure why they even use real guns at all. Shirley you can make realistic looking guns that are unable to fire real live rounds.
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Not sure why they even use real guns at all. Shirley you can make realistic looking guns that are unable to fire real live rounds.
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wrote on 21 Jan 2023, 23:32 last edited by
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You could imagine blank rounds with square cross sectional shape and a square chamber in an otherwise realistic looking gun. So live rounds won’t even fit.
wrote on 22 Jan 2023, 01:00 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin Charged:
You could imagine blank rounds with square cross sectional shape and a square chamber in an otherwise realistic looking gun. So live rounds won’t even fit.
True. However, getting realistic muzzle-flash would be a problem, I assume.
The director of Scarface, Brian DePalma was obsessed with realistic muzzle flash.
The prop firearms were equipped with electronic synchronising devices so that they would only fire when the camera shutter was open. The result was that the guns' muzzle flashes are much more visible and consistent than in most films.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2023, 06:26 last edited by
The cylinder is pretty iconic, when you're looking at it from the muzzle end.
Blanks have nothing that extends past the rim of the case. It's usually a piece of cardboard or similar stiff materia used as a wad to compress the gunpowder. Can't have too much uncompressed powder rattling around due to detonation issues. They don't look like the conical lead bullets of a revolver round.
So...In order to present an authentic looking Peacemaker with a muzzle shot, you either have to have weapon loaded with dummy rounds or a fake gun. Or you have to have a real gun with real rounds on a cleared range shooting just past a camera.
From a side angle or behind the shooter, blanks would work best...Keeping in mind that even blanks can be dangerous at certain distances.
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The cylinder is pretty iconic, when you're looking at it from the muzzle end.
Blanks have nothing that extends past the rim of the case. It's usually a piece of cardboard or similar stiff materia used as a wad to compress the gunpowder. Can't have too much uncompressed powder rattling around due to detonation issues. They don't look like the conical lead bullets of a revolver round.
So...In order to present an authentic looking Peacemaker with a muzzle shot, you either have to have weapon loaded with dummy rounds or a fake gun. Or you have to have a real gun with real rounds on a cleared range shooting just past a camera.
From a side angle or behind the shooter, blanks would work best...Keeping in mind that even blanks can be dangerous at certain distances.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2023, 14:25 last edited by
I stand behind Alec Baldwin.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2023, 14:27 last edited by
It's not an uncommon camera angle.
This all boils down to live rounds on the set. Should have never happened.
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It's not an uncommon camera angle.
This all boils down to live rounds on the set. Should have never happened.
wrote on 22 Jan 2023, 14:36 last edited by@Jolly said in Alec Baldwin Charged:
It's not an uncommon camera angle.
This all boils down to live rounds on the set. Should have never happened.
QFT. What kind of idiot armorer allows, possibly even initiates, that.
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@Jolly said in Alec Baldwin Charged:
It's not an uncommon camera angle.
This all boils down to live rounds on the set. Should have never happened.
QFT. What kind of idiot armorer allows, possibly even initiates, that.
wrote on 22 Jan 2023, 14:43 last edited by@Mik said in Alec Baldwin Charged:
This all boils down to live rounds on the set. Should have never happened.
QFT. What kind of idiot armorer allows, possibly even initiates, that.
There were all kinds of inappropriate things going on on the set wrt firearms. Target practice, and general tomfoolery.
A possible explanation:
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wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 12:17 last edited by
Rumor is that the trial will be televised.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 12:18 last edited by
Ugh
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 11:59 last edited by jon-nyc
Ken White (aka Popehat) discussed this case and thinks there’s a decent chance Baldwin will have to accept some jail time in his plea or risk 18 months if a jury trial goes wrong.
He said it easily meets the state statute’s definition (“without due caution”) and furthermore Baldwin had painted himself into a corner with his public comments.
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Ken White (aka Popehat) discussed this case and thinks there’s a decent chance Baldwin will have to accept some jail time in his plea or risk 18 months if a jury trial goes wrong.
He said it easily meets the state statute’s definition (“without due caution”) and furthermore Baldwin had painted himself into a corner with his public comments.
wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 12:16 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Alec Baldwin Charged:
Baldwin had painted himself into a corner with his public comments.
There was a NYT article saying the same thing, but I can't find it at the moment.
Here's Breitbart's take on it: https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/01/20/nolte-alec-baldwin-made-one-huge-mistake-he-talked/
Outside of not inspecting the gun himself, however, the dumbest thing Baldwin did was talk.
Right away, Baldwin made the biggest mistake you can make in a criminal investigation: he talked to the police.
You never-ever-ever-ever talk to the police without your attorney present. “I’m sorry, Detective, but I’m not going to talk to you without my attorney.” That’s what you say—every time. Someone breaks into your house, and you shoot him; that’s what you say. You stop a mass shooter at your local Walmart with a gun of your own; that’s what you say. No matter how innocent you might believe you are, no matter how righteous you believe you acted, you never talk to the police without your attorney.
His talking should have consisted of one word: "Lawyer."
And he can afford the best.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 13:19 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 14:29 last edited by
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Involuntary manslaughter. Also the armorer.
I'm not sure I can see how he can be charged .
wrote on 2 Feb 2023, 00:51 last edited by@Mik said in Alec Baldwin Charged:
I'm not sure I can see how he can be charged .
Formally charged yesterday.
One lawyer thinks he's going to jail. During a police interview, with no attorney present, he said that Hannah (the armorer) handed him the pistol.
"She would show me the gun, or, she would say 'Cold gun...do you want to check?'"
And he declined to check it. According to this lawyer this is an admission that he knew that the weapon was, or could be, dangerous, and he disregarded that risk by not checking it.
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@Mik said in Alec Baldwin Charged:
I'm not sure I can see how he can be charged .
Formally charged yesterday.
One lawyer thinks he's going to jail. During a police interview, with no attorney present, he said that Hannah (the armorer) handed him the pistol.
"She would show me the gun, or, she would say 'Cold gun...do you want to check?'"
And he declined to check it. According to this lawyer this is an admission that he knew that the weapon was, or could be, dangerous, and he disregarded that risk by not checking it.
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wrote on 2 Feb 2023, 02:35 last edited by
I still find it bizarre how it's perfectly ok for everybody and their brother to discuss cases like this before they even start. Back in blighty these folks would be done for contempt of court or for potentially prejudicing a jury.
Trial by media isn't a good thing.
