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Succinct case for lab leak origin

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    Horace
    wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 18:07 last edited by
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    It was a poorly written first sentence, but it strains credulity to think the author is unaware that viruses occur naturally. I'm trying to imagine what he meant, and I imagine that he meant to include "someone doing something" that would still align with a natural origin theory.

    Education is extremely important.

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      George K
      wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 20:05 last edited by
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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 22:27 last edited by
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        I don't think it was intentional.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          27 Jan 2025, 22:27

          I don't think it was intentional.

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          George K
          wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 22:55 last edited by
          #20

          @Jolly said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

          I don't think it was intentional.

          Nor do I.

          But, "Trust but verify."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 02:22 last edited by
            #21

            I dont think it was, and I also think that we will never know the true answer.

            And I have asked this question before - if we knew way back at the beginning that it was a lab virus that escaped, would anything have been different in the way the virus went around the world and the response to it?

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            • T taiwan_girl
              28 Jan 2025, 02:22

              I dont think it was, and I also think that we will never know the true answer.

              And I have asked this question before - if we knew way back at the beginning that it was a lab virus that escaped, would anything have been different in the way the virus went around the world and the response to it?

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              Copper
              wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 02:25 last edited by
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              @taiwan_girl said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

              would anything have been different

              We would have the identity of the person Fauci responsible for 7,010,681 deaths.

              And that person would pay for every one of them.

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              • C Copper
                28 Jan 2025, 02:25

                @taiwan_girl said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                would anything have been different

                We would have the identity of the person Fauci responsible for 7,010,681 deaths.

                And that person would pay for every one of them.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 02:36 last edited by
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                @Copper said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                @taiwan_girl said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                would anything have been different

                We would have the identity of the person Fauci responsible for 7,010,681 deaths.

                And that person would pay for every one of them.

                You've certainly changed your tune. I seem to recall in 2020 it was just a bit of flu.

                I was only joking

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 03:56 last edited by
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                  I was just playing the tg hypothetical

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 05:09 last edited by
                    #25

                    @Copper beat me to it…

                    And yes, if it had come out in early 2020 that it was a lab leak and quite possibly the same virus that Fauci was funding, there likely would have been huge changes at the very top, and quite possibly, some of Fauci’s biggest critics would have stepped to the front. If Jay Bhattacharya and company had come to the front then, we likely would have had a different approach to schools and such by the fall of 2020.

                    We also wouldn’t have had 2 years of media and social media censoring any talk about lab leaks for 2 years…

                    The Brad

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:17 last edited by
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                      I suspect the Chinese would be on the hook for some serious reparations.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:22 last edited by
                        #27

                        Though wet market, lab leak, either way it’s a product of their country and culture.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          28 Jan 2025, 12:22

                          Though wet market, lab leak, either way it’s a product of their country and culture.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:10 last edited by
                          #28

                          @jon-nyc said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                          Though wet market, lab leak, either way it’s a product of their country and culture.

                          I think most reasonable people would not find fault with a virus naturally mutating and spreading. They might feel differently if the virus didn’t mutate naturally, had two manufacturing marks on it, and leaked from a lab that’s had numerous other close calls, but was financially supported by the US under two administrations, including the MAGA guy…

                          Did Trump remember to charge tariffs on the virus? I don’t recall.

                          The Brad

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                            28 Jan 2025, 13:10

                            @jon-nyc said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                            Though wet market, lab leak, either way it’s a product of their country and culture.

                            I think most reasonable people would not find fault with a virus naturally mutating and spreading. They might feel differently if the virus didn’t mutate naturally, had two manufacturing marks on it, and leaked from a lab that’s had numerous other close calls, but was financially supported by the US under two administrations, including the MAGA guy…

                            Did Trump remember to charge tariffs on the virus? I don’t recall.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:20 last edited by
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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                            @jon-nyc said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                            Though wet market, lab leak, either way it’s a product of their country and culture.

                            I think most reasonable people would not find fault with a virus naturally mutating and spreading. They might feel differently if the virus didn’t mutate naturally, had two manufacturing marks on it, and leaked from a lab that’s had numerous other close calls, but was financially supported by the US under two administrations, including the MAGA guy…

                            Did Trump remember to charge tariffs on the virus? I don’t recall.

                            To be fair, how much do you think Trump or Obama knew about the funding for the Wuhan lab?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:21 last edited by
                              #30

                              Where does that buck stop, again?

                              The Brad

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:22 last edited by
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                                It’s okay to say that the guy did some good, a bunch bad, and was still better than the alternative.

                                The Brad

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:23 last edited by
                                  #32

                                  Interestingly enough, I work with two people who traveled to a committee meeting fairly near Wuhan in or around October 2019. They were both as sick as hell when they got back.

                                  Yes, 2019.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    28 Jan 2025, 13:21

                                    Where does that buck stop, again?

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:25 last edited by
                                    #33

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                                    Where does that buck stop, again?

                                    On the President's desk.

                                    But if you think the President, any President is aware of everything, especially when trusted government officials are not telling him something or are feeding him misinformation, I've got this oceanfront property in Arizona for sale.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      28 Jan 2025, 13:25

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                                      Where does that buck stop, again?

                                      On the President's desk.

                                      But if you think the President, any President is aware of everything, especially when trusted government officials are not telling him something or are feeding him misinformation, I've got this oceanfront property in Arizona for sale.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:55 last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                                      when trusted government officials are not telling him something or are feeding him misinformation

                                      Why did Fauci's preemptive pardon start in 2014...

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 14:05 last edited by
                                        #35

                                        My memory might be faulty, but I seem to recall Rand Paul providing receipts on Fauci’s activities in the summer of 2020, months before Trump was giving him commendations.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • G George K
                                          28 Jan 2025, 13:55

                                          @Jolly said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                                          when trusted government officials are not telling him something or are feeding him misinformation

                                          Why did Fauci's preemptive pardon start in 2014...

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 14:24 last edited by
                                          #36

                                          @George-K said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                                          @Jolly said in Succinct case for lab leak origin:

                                          when trusted government officials are not telling him something or are feeding him misinformation

                                          Why did Fauci's preemptive pardon start in 2014...

                                          Why did Mark Milley’s start on the same day?

                                          Just what was going on with the III Armored Corps at Ft Hood?

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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