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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149247070/debt-ceiling-raising-federal-impacts

    We're coming up against the debt ceiling. The Republican House is threatening to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip again.

    Will there be domestic discretionary spending cuts?
    Will there be defense spending cuts?
    Will there be entitlement cuts?
    Will there be a government shutdown?
    Will the US government's debts be downgraded?
    Will the US government default on its debts?
    Will there be a financial tsunami?
    Will there be an economic Armageddon?

    Stay tuned ... for the many political grandstandings sure to follow!

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    • MikM Offline
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      Hopefully there will be many cuts.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • CopperC Offline
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        Copper
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        Cut everything

        Then cut it again

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          Cut it like a business does.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            Cut it like a business does.

            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
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            @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

            Cut it like a business does.

            Businesses I've worked for typically cut lots of stupid shit, and leave the bloody obvious untouched.

            We once had a delegation fly in from Germany to Canada by executive jet, and then arrive in a stretch limo in order to give us a presentation on reducing expenses. It really improved morale no end!

            I was only joking

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            • MikM Mik

              Cut it like a business does.

              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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              Aqua Letifer
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              @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

              Cut it like a business does.

              In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

              Please love yourself.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                Cut it like a business does.

                In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                George KG Offline
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                @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                Cut it like a business does.

                In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                I'm probably OK with that.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Start with the extra IRS agents.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    Cut it like a business does.

                    In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                    I'm probably OK with that.

                    Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                    Aqua Letifer
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                    #9

                    @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    Cut it like a business does.

                    In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                    I'm probably OK with that.

                    Well, I'm in line in front of them, so I'm not a big fan.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                      @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                      Cut it like a business does.

                      In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                      I'm probably OK with that.

                      Well, I'm in line in front of them, so I'm not a big fan.

                      Catseye3C Offline
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                      @Aqua-Letifer What the heck is your avatar??? It looks like a cat face in Joker makeup.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                        @Aqua-Letifer What the heck is your avatar??? It looks like a cat face in Joker makeup.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                        image.jpeg

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                          image.jpeg

                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                          Aqua Letifer
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                          @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                          @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                          image.jpeg

                          Indeed. I don't know why he's wearing what he's wearing, but who understands red pandas anyways.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                            @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                            image.jpeg

                            Indeed. I don't know why he's wearing what he's wearing, but who understands red pandas anyways.

                            AxtremusA Offline
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                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                            … but who understands red pandas anyways.

                            Link to video

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                              … but who understands red pandas anyways.

                              Link to video

                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              @Axtremus said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                              … but who understands red pandas anyways.

                              Link to video

                              Yes, that is indeed a movie that features a red panda.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                #15

                                Quote from earlier this week:

                                Former Trump OMB Director, Mick Mulvaney, to @thedispatch: "The truth of the matter is that the first two years of the Trump administration, when the Republicans had the House and the Senate, we raised spending faster than the last couple of years of the Obama administration."

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/politics/debt-ceiling-deadline-treasury/index.html

                                  The U.S. has hit the debt ceiling. Treasury starting to take "extraordinary measures."

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                                    The Trillion Dollar coin:

                                    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/congress-debt-ceiling-trillion-dollar-coin-us-mint/672814/

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                                      I think premium bonds are more likely.

                                      But hopefully the threat of them will make the GOP realize their hand is only so strong, and the ugliness of them will make the Dems realize their hand is only so strong, which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                      But I’m not sure I’d bet on it.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        I think premium bonds are more likely.

                                        But hopefully the threat of them will make the GOP realize their hand is only so strong, and the ugliness of them will make the Dems realize their hand is only so strong, which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                        But I’m not sure I’d bet on it.

                                        AxtremusA Offline
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                                        Axtremus
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                                        ... which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                        But what is a reasonable compromise for the "debt ceiling" issue?

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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          @jon-nyc said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                                          ... which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                          But what is a reasonable compromise for the "debt ceiling" issue?

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          @Axtremus

                                          Everyone would have their own definition.

                                          My own definition would be a combination of tax increases and benefit cuts that put us on a 10 year path to keep debt sustainably at 95% of GDP or less. It would have to be a bipartisan deal, since anything else would get undone a few years later.

                                          As I said before, I’m not holding my breath.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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