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    Axtremus
    wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 18:23 last edited by
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    https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149247070/debt-ceiling-raising-federal-impacts

    We're coming up against the debt ceiling. The Republican House is threatening to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip again.

    Will there be domestic discretionary spending cuts?
    Will there be defense spending cuts?
    Will there be entitlement cuts?
    Will there be a government shutdown?
    Will the US government's debts be downgraded?
    Will the US government default on its debts?
    Will there be a financial tsunami?
    Will there be an economic Armageddon?

    Stay tuned ... for the many political grandstandings sure to follow!

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      Mik
      wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 20:07 last edited by
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      Hopefully there will be many cuts.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Copper
        wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 20:41 last edited by
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        Cut everything

        Then cut it again

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          Mik
          wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 22:46 last edited by
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          Cut it like a business does.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • M Mik
            15 Jan 2023, 22:46

            Cut it like a business does.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 23:42 last edited by
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            @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

            Cut it like a business does.

            Businesses I've worked for typically cut lots of stupid shit, and leave the bloody obvious untouched.

            We once had a delegation fly in from Germany to Canada by executive jet, and then arrive in a stretch limo in order to give us a presentation on reducing expenses. It really improved morale no end!

            I was only joking

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            • M Mik
              15 Jan 2023, 22:46

              Cut it like a business does.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 13:42 last edited by
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              @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

              Cut it like a business does.

              In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

              Please love yourself.

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              • A Aqua Letifer
                17 Jan 2023, 13:42

                @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                Cut it like a business does.

                In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

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                George K
                wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 13:59 last edited by
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                @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                Cut it like a business does.

                In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                I'm probably OK with that.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 14:00 last edited by
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                  Start with the extra IRS agents.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • G George K
                    17 Jan 2023, 13:59

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    Cut it like a business does.

                    In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                    I'm probably OK with that.

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                    Aqua Letifer
                    wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 14:05 last edited by
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                    @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                    Cut it like a business does.

                    In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                    I'm probably OK with that.

                    Well, I'm in line in front of them, so I'm not a big fan.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • A Aqua Letifer
                      17 Jan 2023, 14:05

                      @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                      @Mik said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                      Cut it like a business does.

                      In 2023 that would mean firing the staff to let AI run things.

                      I'm probably OK with that.

                      Well, I'm in line in front of them, so I'm not a big fan.

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 16:52 last edited by
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                      @Aqua-Letifer What the heck is your avatar??? It looks like a cat face in Joker makeup.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • C Catseye3
                        17 Jan 2023, 16:52

                        @Aqua-Letifer What the heck is your avatar??? It looks like a cat face in Joker makeup.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 16:55 last edited by
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                        @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                        image.jpeg

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • G George K
                          17 Jan 2023, 16:55

                          @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                          image.jpeg

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 16:57 last edited by
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                          @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                          @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                          image.jpeg

                          Indeed. I don't know why he's wearing what he's wearing, but who understands red pandas anyways.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • A Aqua Letifer
                            17 Jan 2023, 16:57

                            @George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                            @Catseye3 it's a red panda, offering its opinion:

                            image.jpeg

                            Indeed. I don't know why he's wearing what he's wearing, but who understands red pandas anyways.

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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 18:38 last edited by
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                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                            … but who understands red pandas anyways.

                            Link to video

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                            • A Axtremus
                              17 Jan 2023, 18:38

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                              … but who understands red pandas anyways.

                              Link to video

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 17 Jan 2023, 18:43 last edited by
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                              @Axtremus said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                              … but who understands red pandas anyways.

                              Link to video

                              Yes, that is indeed a movie that features a red panda.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 03:15 last edited by jon-nyc
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                                Quote from earlier this week:

                                Former Trump OMB Director, Mick Mulvaney, to @thedispatch: "The truth of the matter is that the first two years of the Trump administration, when the Republicans had the House and the Senate, we raised spending faster than the last couple of years of the Obama administration."

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 19 Jan 2023, 16:44 last edited by
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                                  https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/politics/debt-ceiling-deadline-treasury/index.html

                                  The U.S. has hit the debt ceiling. Treasury starting to take "extraordinary measures."

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 14:48 last edited by
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                                    The Trillion Dollar coin:

                                    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/congress-debt-ceiling-trillion-dollar-coin-us-mint/672814/

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 16:11 last edited by
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                                      I think premium bonds are more likely.

                                      But hopefully the threat of them will make the GOP realize their hand is only so strong, and the ugliness of them will make the Dems realize their hand is only so strong, which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                      But I’m not sure I’d bet on it.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc
                                        24 Jan 2023, 16:11

                                        I think premium bonds are more likely.

                                        But hopefully the threat of them will make the GOP realize their hand is only so strong, and the ugliness of them will make the Dems realize their hand is only so strong, which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                        But I’m not sure I’d bet on it.

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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 18:29 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                                        ... which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                        But what is a reasonable compromise for the "debt ceiling" issue?

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                                        • A Axtremus
                                          24 Jan 2023, 18:29

                                          @jon-nyc said in Debt Ceiling 2023:

                                          ... which will lead to some reasonable compromise.

                                          But what is a reasonable compromise for the "debt ceiling" issue?

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 24 Jan 2023, 18:45 last edited by
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                                          @Axtremus

                                          Everyone would have their own definition.

                                          My own definition would be a combination of tax increases and benefit cuts that put us on a 10 year path to keep debt sustainably at 95% of GDP or less. It would have to be a bipartisan deal, since anything else would get undone a few years later.

                                          As I said before, I’m not holding my breath.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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