Ban Book, Defund Public Library
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 14:50 last edited by
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/conservative-outrage-library_n_63bf1c46e4b0ae9de1c41ba6
Article on the Patmos Library in Jamestown, Michigan.
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"Last year, residents of Jamestown, a township made up of nearly 10,000 people, voted to defund the public library following a push from conservatives to remove the book “Gender Queer” by Maia Kobabe from shelves."
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 14:53 last edited by
Okay, Groomer...
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 15:08 last edited by
Also from the article: "After the millage was voted down by 25 percentage points, the library board put the question on the ballot in November. More people voted to renew the tax than had in August, but not enough people voted “yes” to keep funding in place. It’s unclear if a question about the millage will appear on the ballot next year."
So the question isn't completely closed as of yet.
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 17:15 last edited by
Ax, I think this is a front conflict between many parents and what they see as a systematic push towards a culture they don't agree with.
As a single book, it doesn't matter much. I'm sure there are other books in a typical library that they wouldn't want their young kids reading - but the book symbolizing the push to change culture that they don't agree with.
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Ax, I think this is a front conflict between many parents and what they see as a systematic push towards a culture they don't agree with.
As a single book, it doesn't matter much. I'm sure there are other books in a typical library that they wouldn't want their young kids reading - but the book symbolizing the push to change culture that they don't agree with.
wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 17:27 last edited by@xenon said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
Ax, I think this is a front conflict between many parents and what they see as a systematic push towards a culture they don't agree with.
As a single book, it doesn't matter much. I'm sure there are other books in a typical library that they wouldn't want their young kids reading - but the book symbolizing the push to change culture that they don't agree with.
For sure. Honestly, you go to any library these days and in the kids section there are displays of featured books, many times covering LGBTQ topics. It's pretty jarring...in a section about unicorns, and dinosaurs, and the color green, you have books prominently displayed about "my two dads" or "queer pride". Again, we're talking about the children's section of the library. My daughter who's 4 thinks she's a unicorn during the day, and Princess Belle at night. I'd rather her not pick out books about how Susie thinks she's really a boy because of cultural associations with what boys traditionally like.
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@xenon said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
Ax, I think this is a front conflict between many parents and what they see as a systematic push towards a culture they don't agree with.
As a single book, it doesn't matter much. I'm sure there are other books in a typical library that they wouldn't want their young kids reading - but the book symbolizing the push to change culture that they don't agree with.
For sure. Honestly, you go to any library these days and in the kids section there are displays of featured books, many times covering LGBTQ topics. It's pretty jarring...in a section about unicorns, and dinosaurs, and the color green, you have books prominently displayed about "my two dads" or "queer pride". Again, we're talking about the children's section of the library. My daughter who's 4 thinks she's a unicorn during the day, and Princess Belle at night. I'd rather her not pick out books about how Susie thinks she's really a boy because of cultural associations with what boys traditionally like.
wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 17:34 last edited by@89th On the shelf space part - it annoys me because I do want someone thoughtful to recommend good children’s books to me. Instead, they’re opting to display books that push a political message.
Same thing in kids bookstores. I just do my own research and don’t go. Which is kinda sad. I love putzing around books.
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@89th On the shelf space part - it annoys me because I do want someone thoughtful to recommend good children’s books to me. Instead, they’re opting to display books that push a political message.
Same thing in kids bookstores. I just do my own research and don’t go. Which is kinda sad. I love putzing around books.
wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 17:52 last edited by@xenon said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
@89th On the shelf space part - it annoys me because I do want someone thoughtful to recommend good children’s books to me. Instead, they’re opting to display books that push a political message.
Same thing in kids bookstores. I just do my own research and don’t go. Which is kinda sad. I love putzing around books.
Agreed, and you summed it up well. Honestly, I don't really care about certain books being in the library or not. Let's be honest, the kids also have the internet. It's the pushing of the message, or an overcorrection if you will.
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@89th On the shelf space part - it annoys me because I do want someone thoughtful to recommend good children’s books to me. Instead, they’re opting to display books that push a political message.
Same thing in kids bookstores. I just do my own research and don’t go. Which is kinda sad. I love putzing around books.
wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 23:07 last edited by@xenon said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
@89th On the shelf space part - it annoys me because I do want someone thoughtful to recommend good children’s books to me. Instead, they’re opting to display books that push a political message.
Same thing in kids bookstores. I just do my own research and don’t go. Which is kinda sad. I love putzing around books.
I'll help you.
In print for over 50 years, it's a good read-aloud book...
https://www.amazon.com/David-Phoenix-Edward-Ormondroyd/dp/1930900589
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 23:19 last edited by
Here's what y'all are overlooking...A large portion of the LGBQTXRYZ community desperately needs their perversion to be considered normal, from something as common as a lesbian relationship to a transgendered BDSM threesome.
To do that, they must get to kids early. To define a child's perception of abnormal into normal, to make deviancy seem like just those people down the street who dress a little weird.
They need these books in the library. They have to have them on the shelfs, beckoning to be read by little minds of mush.
I think it far and away the greatest push to normalize child abuse in my lifetime.
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Here's what y'all are overlooking...A large portion of the LGBQTXRYZ community desperately needs their perversion to be considered normal, from something as common as a lesbian relationship to a transgendered BDSM threesome.
To do that, they must get to kids early. To define a child's perception of abnormal into normal, to make deviancy seem like just those people down the street who dress a little weird.
They need these books in the library. They have to have them on the shelfs, beckoning to be read by little minds of mush.
I think it far and away the greatest push to normalize child abuse in my lifetime.
wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 23:48 last edited by@Jolly said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
needs their perversion to be considered normal
Tough
Perverts are not normal
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wrote on 14 Jan 2023, 00:18 last edited by
Just curious.
What if there were a book with photographs of men having oral sex with other men (I suspect they do exist). Or a book with photographs of men having vaginal sex with women. Or a women performing cunnilingus on each other.
What if Lady Chatterly's Lover were illustrated in a very graphic way?
Should those books be banned? If so, why? If not, why not?
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@xenon said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
@89th On the shelf space part - it annoys me because I do want someone thoughtful to recommend good children’s books to me. Instead, they’re opting to display books that push a political message.
Same thing in kids bookstores. I just do my own research and don’t go. Which is kinda sad. I love putzing around books.
I'll help you.
In print for over 50 years, it's a good read-aloud book...
https://www.amazon.com/David-Phoenix-Edward-Ormondroyd/dp/1930900589
wrote on 14 Jan 2023, 00:26 last edited by xenon@Jolly said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
@xenon said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
@89th On the shelf space part - it annoys me because I do want someone thoughtful to recommend good children’s books to me. Instead, they’re opting to display books that push a political message.
Same thing in kids bookstores. I just do my own research and don’t go. Which is kinda sad. I love putzing around books.
I'll help you.
In print for over 50 years, it's a good read-aloud book...
https://www.amazon.com/David-Phoenix-Edward-Ormondroyd/dp/1930900589
Thank you, Jolly. I just bought it. I haven't read this one - the reviews are glowing.
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Just curious.
What if there were a book with photographs of men having oral sex with other men (I suspect they do exist). Or a book with photographs of men having vaginal sex with women. Or a women performing cunnilingus on each other.
What if Lady Chatterly's Lover were illustrated in a very graphic way?
Should those books be banned? If so, why? If not, why not?
wrote on 14 Jan 2023, 02:53 last edited by@George-K said in Ban Book, Defund Public Library:
Should those books be banned? If so, why? If not, why not?
I think the discussion would have to be about public money being spent, that amounts to public support or endorsement.
If you want porn in your house or in your bookstore, I don't care very much.
If you want my money to pay for porn made available to 6-year-olds in the library or school, I'll care a little more.
There should be community standards.
And they should be enforced by the community.And not all communities are the same.