So About This Russian Bounty Thing
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@jon-nyc said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
It’s been out there for over a year. Put up the real evidence. I’ll be right there with you. Enough with innuendo.
Do you think both NYT and AP are making this up out of whole cloth, and Bolton is lying through his teeth agreeing with them?
That was a question for Loki, not Larry.
No. I think intelligence gathering is art and not science and there is no clear evidence Often. We’ve already seen the quality of uranium yellow cake evidence in Iraq and Soleimani posing an imminent threat both topics the NYT has covered at length.
Now suddenly the NYT found the smoking gun just like so many failed stories over the last four years that no one follows up on because of the next week’s innuendo. Let’s see it NYT or just admit it is one of many scenarios. Just show us your goods.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 02:55 last edited by@Loki Intelligence gathering is anything but an art. Diagnosing what you've got and who to give it to is the art.
How you can make such a wide-sweeping statement as in your last paragraph above is amazing. No one follows up on? No one? How is it you know stories are not followed up on? Much less for a reason like "next week's innuendo"? What goods are you looking for, precisely?
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@Loki Intelligence gathering is anything but an art. Diagnosing what you've got and who to give it to is the art.
How you can make such a wide-sweeping statement as in your last paragraph above is amazing. No one follows up on? No one? How is it you know stories are not followed up on? Much less for a reason like "next week's innuendo"? What goods are you looking for, precisely?
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 03:01 last edited by@Catseye3 said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Loki Intelligence gathering is anything but an art. Diagnosing what you've got and who to give it to is the art.
How you can make such a wide-sweeping statement as in your last paragraph above is amazing. No one follows up on? No one? How is it you know stories are not followed up on? Much less for a reason like "next week's innuendo"? What goods are you looking for, precisely?
Actualoy, he's talking about a very familiar pattern...
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@Loki Intelligence gathering is anything but an art. Diagnosing what you've got and who to give it to is the art.
How you can make such a wide-sweeping statement as in your last paragraph above is amazing. No one follows up on? No one? How is it you know stories are not followed up on? Much less for a reason like "next week's innuendo"? What goods are you looking for, precisely?
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 03:01 last edited by@Catseye3 said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Loki Intelligence gathering is anything but an art. Diagnosing what you've got and who to give it to is the art.
How you can make such a wide-sweeping statement as in your last paragraph above is amazing. No one follows up on? No one? How is it you know stories are not followed up on? Much less for a reason like "next week's innuendo"? What goods are you looking for, precisely?
Verifiable and credible information. The Pentagon and NSA have both said they haven’t seen it. As far all the things that the media has said over the last four years that wasn’t true, I don’t know where to start. But how about mentally unfit, fascist and Russian agent for starters? 15 million immigrants to be deported, golden showers, Mueller investigation....
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wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 03:02 last edited by
How about all the things they could have reported on, but didn't?
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@Catseye3 said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
How about all the things they could have reported on, but didn't?
You wish for him to prove the unprovable?
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wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 03:06 last edited by
I don't understand your question.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 05:32 last edited by
Hahahahaaaaaaaa
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@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
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@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 11:28 last edited by@Axtremus said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
You can place your trust in the NYT if you wish. It's a fact that they have run with multiple stories in the last few years, that would not have stood scrutiny by a first year journalism student. It is also a fact that the paper is no longer as much concerned with unbiased reporting, as biased reporting. The paper not only reports what it feels is the news, but may go so far as to manufacture news. And it is also a fact that the staff of the paper has now determined its editorial page need not strive for any opinions that do not fit the staff's desired narrative.
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@Axtremus said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
You can place your trust in the NYT if you wish. It's a fact that they have run with multiple stories in the last few years, that would not have stood scrutiny by a first year journalism student. It is also a fact that the paper is no longer as much concerned with unbiased reporting, as biased reporting. The paper not only reports what it feels is the news, but may go so far as to manufacture news. And it is also a fact that the staff of the paper has now determined its editorial page need not strive for any opinions that do not fit the staff's desired narrative.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 11:42 last edited by@Jolly said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Axtremus said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
You can place your trust in the NYT if you wish. It's a fact that they have run with multiple stories in the last few years, that would not have stood scrutiny by a first year journalism student. It is also a fact that the paper is no longer as much concerned with unbiased reporting, as biased reporting. The paper not only reports what it feels is the news, but may go so far as to manufacture news. And it is also a fact that the staff of the paper has now determined its editorial page need not strive for any opinions that do not fit the staff's desired narrative.
Wherever feasible and where I have the interest, I try to look up the original sources and gather news on the same event from multiple publications, so placing trust in any one publication is just your red herring, not an issue at all.
If something ever comes down to either trusting the NYT or trusting whatever comes out of Trump’s mouth/twit/press secretary/communications director/spokesperson, the NYT is certainly the more trustworthy party, given the track record.
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@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:01 last edited by@Axtremus said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
This another perfect example of how the Left tells a lie, then lies about the lie, and then uses the second lie as proof the first lie is true - and then the gullible fools on the Left swallow it whole.
You and Jon have both claimed this was reported by both the NYT and the AP. That's a lie. The AP did NOT report this story. It reported on what Biden said ABOUT the story reported by the NYT. The NYT claims they got this information from an "anonymous source"... which is where all their "news stories" come from, and every single one of their "news stories" that have come from "anonymous sources" have turned out to be untrue.
The Russians have stated it's not true. The Taliban has stated it's not true. The Pentagon has said it's not true. Yet you leftwing morons ignore all that. You ignore the fact that no proof can be found whatsoever to back up the story, and like the gullible fools you are, buy into a lie that only the NYT and it's "anonymous sources" tell.
Sadly, you fools are allowed to vote...
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@Jolly said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Axtremus said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
You can place your trust in the NYT if you wish. It's a fact that they have run with multiple stories in the last few years, that would not have stood scrutiny by a first year journalism student. It is also a fact that the paper is no longer as much concerned with unbiased reporting, as biased reporting. The paper not only reports what it feels is the news, but may go so far as to manufacture news. And it is also a fact that the staff of the paper has now determined its editorial page need not strive for any opinions that do not fit the staff's desired narrative.
Wherever feasible and where I have the interest, I try to look up the original sources and gather news on the same event from multiple publications, so placing trust in any one publication is just your red herring, not an issue at all.
If something ever comes down to either trusting the NYT or trusting whatever comes out of Trump’s mouth/twit/press secretary/communications director/spokesperson, the NYT is certainly the more trustworthy party, given the track record.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:06 last edited byIf something ever comes down to either trusting the NYT or trusting whatever comes out of Trump’s mouth/twit/press secretary/communications director/spokesperson, the NYT is certainly the more trustworthy party, given the track record.
The NYT is known for their lies reported as news coming through "anonymous sources". The only people who still believe the NYT is a trustworthy source these days are total morons.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:14 last edited by
I’m telling you Bolton’s book is a dud and he is trying to pump life into it with this story. The NYT hate Bolton more than life itself but are willing stooges in this story line.
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@Axtremus said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Mik said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I think that is entirely possible, given the track record.
Given the track record, it is more probable that the NYT and the AP report the truth, Bolton tells the truth, that Trump didn’t pay attention as to not remember or is lying.
This another perfect example of how the Left tells a lie, then lies about the lie, and then uses the second lie as proof the first lie is true - and then the gullible fools on the Left swallow it whole.
You and Jon have both claimed this was reported by both the NYT and the AP. That's a lie. The AP did NOT report this story. It reported on what Biden said ABOUT the story reported by the NYT. The NYT claims they got this information from an "anonymous source"... which is where all their "news stories" come from, and every single one of their "news stories" that have come from "anonymous sources" have turned out to be untrue.
The Russians have stated it's not true. The Taliban has stated it's not true. The Pentagon has said it's not true. Yet you leftwing morons ignore all that. You ignore the fact that no proof can be found whatsoever to back up the story, and like the gullible fools you are, buy into a lie that only the NYT and it's "anonymous sources" tell.
Sadly, you fools are allowed to vote...
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:20 last edited by jon-nyc 7 Jan 2020, 12:21@Larry said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
You and Jon have both claimed this was reported by both the NYT and the AP. That's a lie. The AP did NOT report this story. It reported on what Biden said ABOUT the story reported by the NYT.
https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1
The Russians have stated it's not true.
Oh, well why didn’t you tell me? They would definitely know if they paid bounties for dead US soldiers. So if they say it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen.
Never mind then.
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I’m telling you Bolton’s book is a dud and he is trying to pump life into it with this story. The NYT hate Bolton more than life itself but are willing stooges in this story line.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:20 last edited by@Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I’m telling you Bolton’s book is a dud and he is trying to pump life into it with this story. The NYT hate Bolton more than life itself but are willing stooges in this story line.
Didn't Bolton say that he advised POTUS about the bounty, and then say he didn't know anything about it?
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@Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I’m telling you Bolton’s book is a dud and he is trying to pump life into it with this story. The NYT hate Bolton more than life itself but are willing stooges in this story line.
Didn't Bolton say that he advised POTUS about the bounty, and then say he didn't know anything about it?
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:22 last edited by@George-K said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I’m telling you Bolton’s book is a dud and he is trying to pump life into it with this story. The NYT hate Bolton more than life itself but are willing stooges in this story line.
Didn't Bolton say that he advised POTUS about the bounty, and then say he didn't know anything about it?
Yup.. he’s trying to distance himself while commenting on it and I’m sure whispering into others ears who whisper into others ears. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets confused, scared and ambivalent.
There’s a lot about Bolton that I’m sure he doesn’t want to see the light of day.
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@Larry said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
You and Jon have both claimed this was reported by both the NYT and the AP. That's a lie. The AP did NOT report this story. It reported on what Biden said ABOUT the story reported by the NYT.
https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1
The Russians have stated it's not true.
Oh, well why didn’t you tell me? They would definitely know if they paid bounties for dead US soldiers. So if they say it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen.
Never mind then.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:26 last edited by@jon-nyc said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Larry said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
You and Jon have both claimed this was reported by both the NYT and the AP. That's a lie. The AP did NOT report this story. It reported on what Biden said ABOUT the story reported by the NYT.
https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1
The Russians have stated it's not true.
Oh, well why didn’t you tell me? They would definitely know if they paid bounties for dead US soldiers. So if they say it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen.
Never mind then.
The Taliban also says it's not true. The Pentagon also says it's not true. You can remain stuck in sheep mode if you want, just don't expect me to join you in your delusion.
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@George-K said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
I’m telling you Bolton’s book is a dud and he is trying to pump life into it with this story. The NYT hate Bolton more than life itself but are willing stooges in this story line.
Didn't Bolton say that he advised POTUS about the bounty, and then say he didn't know anything about it?
Yup.. he’s trying to distance himself while commenting on it and I’m sure whispering into others ears who whisper into others ears. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets confused, scared and ambivalent.
There’s a lot about Bolton that I’m sure he doesn’t want to see the light of day.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 12:29 last edited by@Loki said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
There’s a lot about Bolton that I’m sure he doesn’t want to see the light of day.
Do tell???
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@Larry said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
You and Jon have both claimed this was reported by both the NYT and the AP. That's a lie. The AP did NOT report this story. It reported on what Biden said ABOUT the story reported by the NYT.
https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1
The Russians have stated it's not true.
Oh, well why didn’t you tell me? They would definitely know if they paid bounties for dead US soldiers. So if they say it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen.
Never mind then.
wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 14:33 last edited by@jon-nyc said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
@Larry said in So About This Russian Bounty Thing:
You and Jon have both claimed this was reported by both the NYT and the AP. That's a lie. The AP did NOT report this story. It reported on what Biden said ABOUT the story reported by the NYT.
https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1
The Russians have stated it's not true.
Oh, well why didn’t you tell me? They would definitely know if they paid bounties for dead US soldiers. So if they say it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen.
Never mind then.
The NSA also says it has no information on this. That means, even if there is anything at all to it, it's HUMINT, unverified, and most likely a feed from an unfriendly person at the CIA
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wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 18:31 last edited by