The digital tip jar
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I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Every legitimate study done in this area supports the conclusion that tipping provides a direct financial incentive for servers to provide better service.
Here's a meta analysis:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053535700000627
In conclusion, the results of this meta-analysis support the idea that restaurant patrons reward better service with larger tips. This suggests that equity motivations operate in commercial as well as social exchanges.
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Cornell published a study on this about 8 years ago, with recommendations. What they found was that:
- Tipping led to better customer experiences in sit-down restaurants in every test they conducted.
- The comfort level of the customers and the monetary benefit provided to the server was maximized when tips were decided upon by the customer and not baked into the price of the meal.
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Actually, from the first article you reference
These findings suggest that tippers are concerned about equitable economic relationships with servers, but that equity effects may be too weak for tip size to serve as a valid measure of server performance or for tipping to serve as an effective incentive for delivering good service.
LIke everything, for every one study that says one side, there is a study like from the Journal of Economic Perspectives that says:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/26913191.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3Adcf2fd2a2bdbabaf60cefc80251bebc4&ab_segments=&origin=&initiator=&acceptTC=1
>when considering the relationship between between service quality and tips directly, the sensitivity of service quality to tips seems to be low. In a meta- analysis, Lynn and McCall (2000) found a statistically significant and positive relationship between tips and service evaluations, but the effect of service on tips was small and accounted for less than 2 percent of the variability in tip percentage.>Several similar studies since that review have also found that the sensitivity of tips to service quality is positive, but modest.
or
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001088040304400519
Restaurant managers correctly believe that good tips discourage server turnover, but managers might not know the best ways to boost tips—because improving service quality doesn't necessarily do it.
As I mentioned above, this is definitely a subject where we probably have to agree to disagree. LOL I am sure that part of my perspective is my background coming from outside the US, where it is generally a "no-tipping" culture, and IMO, the service is not any better (or worse) than in the US.
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Actually, from the first article you reference
These findings suggest that tippers are concerned about equitable economic relationships with servers, but that equity effects may be too weak for tip size to serve as a valid measure of server performance or for tipping to serve as an effective incentive for delivering good service.
LIke everything, for every one study that says one side, there is a study like from the Journal of Economic Perspectives that says:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/26913191.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3Adcf2fd2a2bdbabaf60cefc80251bebc4&ab_segments=&origin=&initiator=&acceptTC=1
>when considering the relationship between between service quality and tips directly, the sensitivity of service quality to tips seems to be low. In a meta- analysis, Lynn and McCall (2000) found a statistically significant and positive relationship between tips and service evaluations, but the effect of service on tips was small and accounted for less than 2 percent of the variability in tip percentage.>Several similar studies since that review have also found that the sensitivity of tips to service quality is positive, but modest.
or
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001088040304400519
Restaurant managers correctly believe that good tips discourage server turnover, but managers might not know the best ways to boost tips—because improving service quality doesn't necessarily do it.
As I mentioned above, this is definitely a subject where we probably have to agree to disagree. LOL I am sure that part of my perspective is my background coming from outside the US, where it is generally a "no-tipping" culture, and IMO, the service is not any better (or worse) than in the US.
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
As I mentioned above, this is definitely a subject where we probably have to agree to disagree. LOL I am sure that part of my perspective is my background coming from outside the US,
Yet you want us all to change to make you happier.
That's my problem here. I spent some time living in Oz, where tipping wasn't practiced. I didn't try to convince anyone there that their way of doing things was inferior, nonsensical or impractical. Because that would've been rude as fuck.
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LOL. Culture changes all the time, and there is no reason to think that the tipping culture in the US will not change also at some point. Tipping % may increase, may decrease, or may disappear. "The only thing constant is change"
(But in my defense, I think, other than some very close friends, this forum board is the only place I talk about tipping. And yes, when I am out at a restaurant in the US, I tip as good as the next person and not skimp.
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LOL. Culture changes all the time, and there is no reason to think that the tipping culture in the US will not change also at some point. Tipping % may increase, may decrease, or may disappear. "The only thing constant is change"
(But in my defense, I think, other than some very close friends, this forum board is the only place I talk about tipping. And yes, when I am out at a restaurant in the US, I tip as good as the next person and not skimp.
)@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
LOL. Culture changes all the time, and there is no reason to think that the tipping culture in the US will not change also at some point. Tipping % may increase, may decrease, or may disappear. "The only thing constant is change"
Be sure to tell servers here that when you're explaining how stupid and silly their tipping system is.
(But in my defense, I think, other than some very close friends, this forum board is the only place I talk about tipping. And yes, when I am out at a restaurant in the US, I tip as good as the next person and not skimp.
)Yeah? What do you tip?
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I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Why would you want to punish tipped workers like that? My daughter averaged $25-30 an hour working in an upscale pizza restaurant 9 years ago. You really think anyone is going to do that job for regular minimum wage?
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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And the TNCR tipping war continues!
It's a bit like the 100 Years War, except it seems to have gone on for longer somehow.
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I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
The Brad
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I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
Jesus.
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I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
Eventually your order will be like $15 and a total of $40 after all fees, tips, and taxes are included.
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I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
They did that to my favorite brewpub, although they haven’t done the fee yet. The reason we loved it was the full service and the food was great. Now the food sucks and the service is nonexistent. No tip from me.
They’ve been getting crucified on Yelp.
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I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
I did not tip and will not be back.
@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
I went to a brewpub that had a 15% “fair wage” fee and still had a suggested tip amount on top of that. It was also at a place where you order from your phone and they bring it to your table. (Bussing).
Does Mr. Biden know about this?
I'm sure he can fix it.
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@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Why would you want to punish tipped workers like that? My daughter averaged $25-30 an hour working in an upscale pizza restaurant 9 years ago. You really think anyone is going to do that job for regular minimum wage?
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@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Why would you want to punish tipped workers like that? My daughter averaged $25-30 an hour working in an upscale pizza restaurant 9 years ago. You really think anyone is going to do that job for regular minimum wage?
@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Why would you want to punish tipped workers like that? My daughter averaged $25-30 an hour working in an upscale pizza restaurant 9 years ago. You really think anyone is going to do that job for regular minimum wage?
I dont think it is punishing the workers. Just pay them what they are worth. If that is USD$25/hr, then okay.
I just find it somewhat funny when restaurants say that if they have to pay their workers what they currently marke in tips, people would not come there any more. Are people that stupid that they think they are paying less because the tip is not on the menu price?????
If a pizza is USD$20 and I leave a $10 tip, my total is $30.
What is the difference between that and having the pizza cost $30 on the menu to begin with? Why would people be less willing to go to that restaurant when their price will be the same??
I believe that quality of food is a much bigger determination of tip amount than service in most peoples mind.
I think my subtle no-tip campaign is gaining steam!!! LOL
(Anyway, I appreciate you guys putting up with me on this, even though it frustrates most of you.
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It doesn't frustrate me at all. I find watching Aqua becoming incandescent very entertaining.
I was only joking
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@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Why would you want to punish tipped workers like that? My daughter averaged $25-30 an hour working in an upscale pizza restaurant 9 years ago. You really think anyone is going to do that job for regular minimum wage?
I dont think it is punishing the workers. Just pay them what they are worth. If that is USD$25/hr, then okay.
I just find it somewhat funny when restaurants say that if they have to pay their workers what they currently marke in tips, people would not come there any more. Are people that stupid that they think they are paying less because the tip is not on the menu price?????
If a pizza is USD$20 and I leave a $10 tip, my total is $30.
What is the difference between that and having the pizza cost $30 on the menu to begin with? Why would people be less willing to go to that restaurant when their price will be the same??
I believe that quality of food is a much bigger determination of tip amount than service in most peoples mind.
I think my subtle no-tip campaign is gaining steam!!! LOL
(Anyway, I appreciate you guys putting up with me on this, even though it frustrates most of you.
)@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Why would you want to punish tipped workers like that? My daughter averaged $25-30 an hour working in an upscale pizza restaurant 9 years ago. You really think anyone is going to do that job for regular minimum wage?
I dont think it is punishing the workers. Just pay them what they are worth. If that is USD$25/hr, then okay.
I just find it somewhat funny when restaurants say that if they have to pay their workers what they currently marke in tips, people would not come there any more. Are people that stupid that they think they are paying less because the tip is not on the menu price?????
If a pizza is USD$20 and I leave a $10 tip, my total is $30.
What is the difference between that and having the pizza cost $30 on the menu to begin with? Why would people be less willing to go to that restaurant when their price will be the same??
I believe that quality of food is a much bigger determination of tip amount than service in most peoples mind.
I think my subtle no-tip campaign is gaining steam!!! LOL
(Anyway, I appreciate you guys putting up with me on this, even though it frustrates most of you.
)So how much do you tip, big spender?
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It doesn't frustrate me at all. I find watching Aqua becoming incandescent very entertaining.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
It doesn't frustrate me at all. I find watching Aqua becoming incandescent very entertaining.
Ever pay your rent only with tip money?
How 'bout all your food?
All your gas?
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