Twitter suspends journalists...
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
@Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
I should note that I do disagree with the label of arbitrary in this case, as a defined policy with rationale clearly laid out is not arbitrary by definition. Capricious sure, inasmuch as it’s a change.
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@Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
I should note that I do disagree with the label of arbitrary in this case, as a defined policy with rationale clearly laid out is not arbitrary by definition. Capricious sure, inasmuch as it’s a change.
@Horace it’s unclear to me whether he announced the new rule before he banned people who were following the rule that was in place until last night. It seems to have been at about the same time.
Just last month he actually pointed to the guy with the plane account being allowed on Twitter as evidence of his commitment to free speech.
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Last night he told 121MM people that anyone can track his plane’s whereabouts in real time using public information.
I wonder how many of those 121MM didn’t know that before he told them? Vast majority I assume.
How many stories are being written up about it right now?
Some of us remember the story from a year ago when he tried to pay the kid to stop publicizing it.
Had he not done either of those things, how many people would know about it?
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Yeah, it's pretty clear he's all over the place and making things up as he goes along.
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Nobody appears dead set that doxxing should be fair play on Twitter. If anybody wants to take pot shots at Musk for going back and forth on this, they can. Personally I start caring when it's clear there are concealed ulterior motives. I'm fine with false starts and backtracks as the rules are ironed out, and I'm even fine with disagreeing with the rules.
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The old regime at Twitter governed by its own whims and biases and it sure looks like the new regime has the same problem.
I'm not that familiar with all the rules, but didn't the old regime keep this stuff secret, and didn't they lie to keep it secret?
Mr. Musk seems to be delivering on his prediction that he would make mistakes.
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@George-K said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
They weren't moderated for reporting on an important story. I fail to see Weiss' point, unless the class of people "reporting on important stories" are to be considered unbannable for any reason. Which would be stupid.
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Matt Binder claims otherwise.
“I was banned on Thursday night immediately after sharing a screenshot from CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan moments after he was suspended,” Binder told Rolling Stone. “The screenshot was an official LAPD statement regarding the incident Elon Musk was tweeting out about last night which led him to suspending ElonJet and its creator Jack Sweeney. I did not share any location data, as per Twitter’s new terms. Nor did I share any links to ElonJet or other location tracking accounts. I have been highly critical of Musk but never broke any of Twitter’s listed policies.”
I guess we’ll get to the truth soon enough.
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Zoom out a bit.
He first said he would go by first amendment rules. If it’s not illegal it’s allowed.
Later he said he’d convene a new panel before making any decisions.
Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.
Then he said he’d moderate tweets rather than accounts.
Then he banned Kanye.
Then he said he wouldn’t ban the airplane location guy.
Then he banned the airplane location account AND the guy behind it.
And now he’s banning retweets of him.
What’s next? No one knows. Not even Elon is aware of what next week’s whims will bring.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.
Well, he did run a poll about banning the journalists. It had four choices, and the vast majority said that either no ban, or a short ban.
His reply was to say that the previous poll had too many choices and he was going to rerun it. LOL
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The day after I joined Hot Air (the RWEC) as a writer I was suspended from Twitter.
True story. I have been on the platform since 2008, never having had a problem. But the day after I started writing for Hot Air I was suspended for years-old tweets. Sarcasm from years ago.
Obviously somebody trolled through my twitter history looking for anything they could complain about, and found 3 that worked. Twitter suspended me. I deleted the tweets and I got back on. Those were the rules under the old regime and I wasn’t going to be silenced for being snarky 5 years ago.
Whoever complained was a politically motivated jerk, but I have more important battles to fight.
So when I read this story I had to chuckle. MSM “journalists” complaining that they have to delete tweets that violate Twitter’s TOS in order to get back their accounts.
Freedom fighters!
As you recall, after Elon Musk’s son was stalked and attacked earlier this month Twitter banned an account that tracked Elon’s jet. You can argue about whether or not the account contributed to the attack–it didn’t, directly–but you can’t argue that the whole point wasn’t to stalk Elon. The account owner himself made clear he was trying to extort money out of Musk–$50,000.
Perhaps reasonably, or perhaps in a fit of pique, Twitter suspended the account. This was hardly some great injustice, nor a threat to free speech. It was swatting a particularly nasty mosquito that served no societal purpose other than empowering a teenager to extort money from Musk. Big deal.
A bunch of immature MSM “journalists” decided to advocate for the kid as if he were Martin Luther King fighting for civil rights, and used their Twitter feeds to promote ElonJet’s accounts on other platforms. They, too, were booted (temporarily) from the platform for violating the Terms of Service–which they were. Everybody knew the rules, but they all saw themselves as Rosa Parks sitting at the front of the bus.
Why, exactly? Because they were fighting “the man” or something. Clearly there is no social benefit to promoting a stalking account. I defy anybody to explain how aiding what the account owner himself admits is an extortion scheme can be a civil rights campaign. It is not political speech, nor art, nor even a primal scream. It is an extortion account. Legal extortion, but extortion nonetheless.
You know what the journalists called their suspension from Twitter? “The Thursday Night Massacre.” Honestly, they did. They even put up a Wikipedia page under that name, although the name has been changed after the howls of laughter rolled in. 8 journalists get suspended for breaking known rules is a “massacre!”
In order to return to Twitter they are being required to do what EVERY account ever has had to when the TOS are violated: delete the tweets that caused the suspension. I had to do it. Everybody has to do it.
These journalists are refusing. Their tweets are sacred.
Perhaps they are penning their own “Letters from a Birmingham Jail.” They can describe the injustice of being in Twitter jail, and their brave fight for their freedom to help a kid extort $50,000 from Elon Musk.
Journalist Micah Lee did write about his exile in The Intercept, and it is a hoot.
My suspension lasted just a few days before my account was reinstated. When people visit my Twitter profile, it no longer says “account suspended,” and it looks as if I’m back on the platform. Friends and strangers alike have reached out to me saying it’s good to see that I’m back on Twitter. It’s an illusion.
In reality, I’m still locked out of my Twitter account unless I agree to delete a specific tweet at the behest of the billionaire. Several of the other suspended journalists are in the same boat. (Twitter, where the communications team was decimated by Musk’s layoffs, did not immediately reply to a message for comment.)
I have news for Michah: these are the rules we all have had to play by for almost 15 years. The only difference is that for over a decade MSM journalists and other members of the Elite never have had to play by any rules. They were “whitelisted,” which literally meant the rules didn’t apply to them.Welcome to our world. The rules apply to everybody. And they are even fair this time, not stacked in your favor or ours. Twitter may be one of the only places left where the rules apply equally to everybody now, and it apparently hurts deeply for those who have gotten away with everything for so long.
Mainstream media journalists are some of the most self-absorbed people on Earth, and utterly ignorant about how the rest of us are forced to behave. They have the been the enforcers for the establishment and really hate being on a level playing field. It seems unfair to them.
Well I hope they have to get used to it.
