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Irish Lives Matter too...

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  • ImprovisoI Offline
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    The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
    Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.
    From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.
    During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
    Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.
    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.
    African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.
    In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.
    England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.
    There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.
    But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.
    Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.

    We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Not to disagree with the main thrust of the article, but I'm fairly sure that photograph is of coal-miners on their way to work and I believe it's from the 1900's.

      I was only joking

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        Indeed, and Belgian ones, according to the interwebz.

        But yeah, not to disagree with the tragedy of the Irish.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          I'm quite willing to dispute the claim.

          https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/18th-19th-century-social-perspectives/the-irish-in-the-anglo-caribbean-servants-or-slaves/

          Elbows up!

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            If you take the time to visit a historic Lancashire cotton mill in the UK, you'll quickly appreciate that the English didn't treat the English too well, either.

            I was only joking

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              I'm quite willing to dispute the claim.

              https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/18th-19th-century-social-perspectives/the-irish-in-the-anglo-caribbean-servants-or-slaves/

              CopperC Offline
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              @Renauda said in Irish Lives Matter too...:

              I'm quite willing to dispute the claim.

              The privilege is obvious.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Indeed, and Belgian ones, according to the interwebz.

                But yeah, not to disagree with the tragedy of the Irish.

                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                @jon-nyc said in Irish Lives Matter too...:

                Indeed, and Belgian ones, according to the interwebz.

                Actually, Italian miners working in Belgium.

                Payback for Julius Caesar.

                I was only joking

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                • CopperC Copper

                  @Renauda said in Irish Lives Matter too...:

                  I'm quite willing to dispute the claim.

                  The privilege is obvious.

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                  @Copper said in Irish Lives Matter too...:

                  @Renauda said in Irish Lives Matter too...:

                  I'm quite willing to dispute the claim.

                  The privilege is obvious.

                  With all due respect, yes, it probably is.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    If you take the time to visit a historic Lancashire cotton mill in the UK, you'll quickly appreciate that the English didn't treat the English too well, either.

                    89th8 Offline
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Irish Lives Matter too...:

                    you'll quickly appreciate that the English didn't treat the English too well, either.

                    I mean, can you blame them?

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Pale orange garbage.

                      Education is extremely important.

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