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  • H Horace
    30 Nov 2022, 02:40

    Anybody do square foot gardening or gardening in raised beds in general? I have a south facing wall where the fence casts a shadow just about to the base of the wall, where a raised bed should work well. I got a 32" tall Vego, which I'll put into a 2.5' x 9.5' configuration. I'm excited, and I'll definitely start eating more vegetables if they are a product of my own work.

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 03:48 last edited by
    #7

    @Horace said in Square foot gardening:

    Anybody do square foot gardening

    Did it a couple of years. I believe that @jolly recommended the book to me. Worked quite well. I followed the instructions for the type of soil mix to use and things grew quite well.

    The soil mix is quite "drainy" so important to keep it watered almost every day.

    https://squarefootgardening.com

    H 1 Reply Last reply 30 Nov 2022, 03:59
    • C Copper
      30 Nov 2022, 03:17

      That sprinkler could blast your plants, I have a few plants that have grown into the path of the sprinklers.

      Just a thought.

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      Horace
      wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 03:56 last edited by
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      @Copper said in Square foot gardening:

      That sprinkler could blast your plants, I have a few plants that have grown into the path of the sprinklers.

      Just a thought.

      I’ll use a 32 inch raised bed so it should be ok. But I have to avoid putting the bed on a sprinkler. I think there is a 10 foot gap between them and my bed will be 9.5 feet long.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • T taiwan_girl
        30 Nov 2022, 03:48

        @Horace said in Square foot gardening:

        Anybody do square foot gardening

        Did it a couple of years. I believe that @jolly recommended the book to me. Worked quite well. I followed the instructions for the type of soil mix to use and things grew quite well.

        The soil mix is quite "drainy" so important to keep it watered almost every day.

        https://squarefootgardening.com

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        Horace
        wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 03:59 last edited by
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        @taiwan_girl said in Square foot gardening:

        @Horace said in Square foot gardening:

        Anybody do square foot gardening

        Did it a couple of years. I believe that @jolly recommended the book to me. Worked quite well. I followed the instructions for the type of soil mix to use and things grew quite well.

        The soil mix is quite "drainy" so important to keep it watered almost every day.

        https://squarefootgardening.com

        Thanks TG. That book is free for Prime members so I got it earlier. 755 kindle pages but I’m about half done already.

        Education is extremely important.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 06:07 last edited by
          #10

          Don't know how well it'll work until you try.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            89th
            wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 14:26 last edited by
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            Any critters to be concerned of? The height should help, but there is a garden bed in my neighbor's yard I can see from my office and I often watch rabbits and squirrels enjoy the buffet. Granted theirs isn't raised, nor is it guarded by a Horace with a 12 gauge.

            Also...if needed, you can adjust the sprinkler to more of a mist I'd imagine.

            If you really cared about the environment, you would redirect that downspout to water the garden. But not everyone is pro-earth like me.

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            • 8 89th
              30 Nov 2022, 14:26

              Any critters to be concerned of? The height should help, but there is a garden bed in my neighbor's yard I can see from my office and I often watch rabbits and squirrels enjoy the buffet. Granted theirs isn't raised, nor is it guarded by a Horace with a 12 gauge.

              Also...if needed, you can adjust the sprinkler to more of a mist I'd imagine.

              If you really cared about the environment, you would redirect that downspout to water the garden. But not everyone is pro-earth like me.

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              Horace
              wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 14:38 last edited by
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              @89th said in Square foot gardening:

              Any critters to be concerned of? The height should help, but there is a garden bed in my neighbor's yard I can see from my office and I often watch rabbits and squirrels enjoy the buffet. Granted theirs isn't raised, nor is it guarded by a Horace with a 12 gauge.

              Also...if needed, you can adjust the sprinkler to more of a mist I'd imagine.

              If you really cared about the environment, you would redirect that downspout to water the garden. But not everyone is pro-earth like me.

              I'm concerned about the critters and will put up fencing or netting as appropriate. I also have a fig tree that I will be guarding with my life.

              It is a fine idea to collect the rain water in a container and use it for watering. They sometimes talk about how much money you'll save by growing your own veggies, which I suspect is nonsense, but if you don't pay for the water, that would help. Our water bill last month was $200. The sprinkler program had a bug.

              Education is extremely important.

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                Mik
                wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 14:55 last edited by Mik
                #13

                I suspect in that space you will lose the grass under the garden due to lack of sun. Consider hardscape.

                I had a fig tree in my yard in LA. You'll get more figs than you know what to do with.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

                H 1 Reply Last reply 30 Nov 2022, 15:09
                • MikM Mik
                  30 Nov 2022, 14:55

                  I suspect in that space you will lose the grass under the garden due to lack of sun. Consider hardscape.

                  I had a fig tree in my yard in LA. You'll get more figs than you know what to do with.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 15:09 last edited by
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                  @Mik said in Square foot gardening:

                  I suspect in that space you will lose the grass under the garden due to lack of sun. Consider hardscape.

                  I had a fig tree in my yard in LA. You'll get more figs than you know what to do with.

                  Do you remember what breed of fig? I got an LSU Purple.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 16:41 last edited by
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                    44 years ago, so no. I do remember the ants and bees loved them.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • H Horace
                      30 Nov 2022, 15:09

                      @Mik said in Square foot gardening:

                      I suspect in that space you will lose the grass under the garden due to lack of sun. Consider hardscape.

                      I had a fig tree in my yard in LA. You'll get more figs than you know what to do with.

                      Do you remember what breed of fig? I got an LSU Purple.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 18:46 last edited by
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                      @Horace said in Square foot gardening:

                      @Mik said in Square foot gardening:

                      I suspect in that space you will lose the grass under the garden due to lack of sun. Consider hardscape.

                      I had a fig tree in my yard in LA. You'll get more figs than you know what to do with.

                      Do you remember what breed of fig? I got an LSU Purple.

                      Geaux Ti-gahs!

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • H Horace
                        30 Nov 2022, 14:38

                        @89th said in Square foot gardening:

                        Any critters to be concerned of? The height should help, but there is a garden bed in my neighbor's yard I can see from my office and I often watch rabbits and squirrels enjoy the buffet. Granted theirs isn't raised, nor is it guarded by a Horace with a 12 gauge.

                        Also...if needed, you can adjust the sprinkler to more of a mist I'd imagine.

                        If you really cared about the environment, you would redirect that downspout to water the garden. But not everyone is pro-earth like me.

                        I'm concerned about the critters and will put up fencing or netting as appropriate. I also have a fig tree that I will be guarding with my life.

                        It is a fine idea to collect the rain water in a container and use it for watering. They sometimes talk about how much money you'll save by growing your own veggies, which I suspect is nonsense, but if you don't pay for the water, that would help. Our water bill last month was $200. The sprinkler program had a bug.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 18:47 last edited by
                        #17

                        @Horace said in Square foot gardening:

                        @89th said in Square foot gardening:

                        Any critters to be concerned of? The height should help, but there is a garden bed in my neighbor's yard I can see from my office and I often watch rabbits and squirrels enjoy the buffet. Granted theirs isn't raised, nor is it guarded by a Horace with a 12 gauge.

                        Also...if needed, you can adjust the sprinkler to more of a mist I'd imagine.

                        If you really cared about the environment, you would redirect that downspout to water the garden. But not everyone is pro-earth like me.

                        I'm concerned about the critters and will put up fencing or netting as appropriate. I also have a fig tree that I will be guarding with my life.

                        It is a fine idea to collect the rain water in a container and use it for watering. They sometimes talk about how much money you'll save by growing your own veggies, which I suspect is nonsense, but if you don't pay for the water, that would help. Our water bill last month was $200. The sprinkler program had a bug.

                        No, you probably won't save money. The veggies will taste better, though. Especially tomatoes.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 14:21 last edited by
                          #18

                          Finally assembled the bed yesterday. Now I’ll fill it with cheap stuff in the bottom half, and homemade soil in the top half. I’m going with vermiculite, compost, and peat moss in equal proportions. I will put something under the lower rim to level it off.

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                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 14:23 last edited by Jolly 3 Jun 2023, 14:26
                            #19

                            Think you'll have enough sunlight?

                            Bed sounds like maybe a modified hugelculture?

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hügelkultur

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • J Jolly
                              6 Mar 2023, 14:23

                              Think you'll have enough sunlight?

                              Bed sounds like maybe a modified hugelculture?

                              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hügelkultur

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 14:27 last edited by
                              #20

                              @Jolly said in Square foot gardening:

                              Think you'll have enough sunlight?

                              Yes, the fence shadow doesn't touch the base of the wall. Should have full sun across the whole top of the bed.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                89th
                                wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 14:52 last edited by
                                #21

                                Speaking from experience, it is more efficient to place a dead body in now before you put in the soil.

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                                • 8 89th
                                  6 Mar 2023, 14:52

                                  Speaking from experience, it is more efficient to place a dead body in now before you put in the soil.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 15:02 last edited by
                                  #22

                                  @89th said in Square foot gardening:

                                  Speaking from experience, it is more efficient to place a dead body in now before you put in the soil.

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                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • 8 89th
                                    6 Mar 2023, 14:52

                                    Speaking from experience, it is more efficient to place a dead body in now before you put in the soil.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 15:59 last edited by
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                                    @89th said in Square foot gardening:

                                    Speaking from experience, it is more efficient to place a dead body in now before you put in the soil.

                                    First place the law will look.

                                    Chop the body up and feed it to the hogs. Most guys won't dig around in a muddy hog pen.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      6 Mar 2023, 15:59

                                      @89th said in Square foot gardening:

                                      Speaking from experience, it is more efficient to place a dead body in now before you put in the soil.

                                      First place the law will look.

                                      Chop the body up and feed it to the hogs. Most guys won't dig around in a muddy hog pen.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 16:06 last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in Square foot gardening:

                                      Chop the body up and feed it to the hogs. Most guys won't dig around in a muddy hog pen.

                                      LOL. Have you ever watched "Deadwood?"

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K
                                        6 Mar 2023, 16:06

                                        @Jolly said in Square foot gardening:

                                        Chop the body up and feed it to the hogs. Most guys won't dig around in a muddy hog pen.

                                        LOL. Have you ever watched "Deadwood?"

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 16:23 last edited by
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                                        @George-K said in Square foot gardening:

                                        @Jolly said in Square foot gardening:

                                        Chop the body up and feed it to the hogs. Most guys won't dig around in a muddy hog pen.

                                        LOL. Have you ever watched "Deadwood?"

                                        Not a single episode...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • J Jolly
                                          6 Mar 2023, 16:23

                                          @George-K said in Square foot gardening:

                                          @Jolly said in Square foot gardening:

                                          Chop the body up and feed it to the hogs. Most guys won't dig around in a muddy hog pen.

                                          LOL. Have you ever watched "Deadwood?"

                                          Not a single episode...

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 6 Mar 2023, 16:56 last edited by
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                                          @Jolly said in Square foot gardening:

                                          @George-K said in Square foot gardening:

                                          @Jolly said in Square foot gardening:

                                          Chop the body up and feed it to the hogs. Most guys won't dig around in a muddy hog pen.

                                          LOL. Have you ever watched "Deadwood?"

                                          Not a single episode...

                                          There's a character, "Mr. Wu," who has a pig sty near his home in Deadwood. He helps get people "disappeared."

                                          https://www.grunge.com/147158/the-disturbing-true-stories-that-inspired-deadwood/

                                          Deadwood's Mr. Wu was notorious for his method of disposing of inconvenient corpses: He'd simply feed them to his pigs. Was there any truth to it?

                                          Ehhhh. Deadwood really did have a group of Chinese residents, but Jerry Bryant, the resident archaeologist and research curator of Deadwood's Adams Museum says (via True West) that's about where the historical accuracy ends. Bryant says there were no instances of feeding anybody to the pigs, but it wasn't entirely creative license.

                                          In 2002, police raided a Vancouver farm belonging to Robert Pickton, who would eventually be revealed as one of the most notorious serial killers in recent history. He would ultimately confess to murdering 49 women (noting his regret at not hitting his goal of 50), and according to the Independent, feeding the dismembered remains of his victims to his pigs was one of his favorite disposal methods. (It's also believed he may have ground up other remains, mixed it with other types of animal-based mince, and sold it.)

                                          That's definitely not the only story of pigs eating people, and they're not all so murder-y, either. In 2012, a Vietnam vet named Terry Vance Garner was eaten by his pet pigs in unclear but probably accidental circumstances (via the BBC). So the whole thing is plausible, even if it didn't happen in Deadwood.

                                          Link to video

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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