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My next piano??

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Don't like Roland sound. Yamaha better sounding.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Don't like Roland sound. Yamaha better sounding.

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      @Jolly said in My next piano??:

      Don't like Roland sound. Yamaha better sounding.

      Yes, you have to edit the Roland sound. The good news? They have the most variable sound. The bad news? You’ll likely need to.

      Here’s the thing… Yamaha? They are unabashedly a Yamaha. They have a great concert grand piano, and that’s the instrument they sample. Roland no longer samples, they use modeling. But when they did sample, they sampled three prominent pianos and blended them. Personally? I think it was a rather bland sound, but if you find the right edits…

      But if you’re looking for the best touch, Roland is by far the closest.

      The Brad

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      • kluursK Offline
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        #8

        I haven't looked at Roland in quite a while. I guess I should. I know a couple of friends who ended up with the CLP745 so I kinda want to try that. Stephen Hough talked about using an N2 or N1H - I can't recall which.

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        • kluursK kluurs

          I haven't looked at Roland in quite a while. I guess I should. I know a couple of friends who ended up with the CLP745 so I kinda want to try that. Stephen Hough talked about using an N2 or N1H - I can't recall which.

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          @kluurs I just sold a used N2… That is still my favorite of the Avants. I hope they bring it back as an N2X.

          The Brad

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            #10

            There was a woman in the area selling a one year old barely used N1H for $7,500 about 6 months ago. I'm kicking myself for not going to look at it. It was on the market for a bit - so she may have ended up selling it for less.

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @kluurs I just sold a used N2… That is still my favorite of the Avants. I hope they bring it back as an N2X.

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              @LuFins-Dad said in My next piano??:

              @kluurs I just sold a used N2… That is still my favorite of the Avants. I hope they bring it back as an N2X.

              I agree - but every time I bring the N2 up, I'm told that it will eventually be phased out.

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              • kluursK kluurs

                There was a woman in the area selling a one year old barely used N1H for $7,500 about 6 months ago. I'm kicking myself for not going to look at it. It was on the market for a bit - so she may have ended up selling it for less.

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                @kluurs where are you shopping/looking?

                I might be in the market after the holidays for something basic, and reliable...

                ...if I can convince Mrs. George, that is.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Also, try the HP704 or the LX708. The LX705 and LX706 are good, but I prefer the speaker layout of the HP704. Plus, be prepared to edit the sound… Put the touch on 85, the brilliance on +3, and have them put it on Soundboard 2 to start. Then edit as needed. The settings will save once you turn it off.

                  The Brad

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    I have a Roland HP505. Never have any problems with it. It is good for me, but I am a very very average player.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      I dunno, this outfit seems just a bit on the shady side.

                      Thoughts?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        I dunno, this outfit seems just a bit on the shady side.

                        Thoughts?

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                        @George-K said in My next piano??:

                        I dunno, this outfit seems just a bit on the shady side.

                        Thoughts?

                        I don’t really think shady, just riding the line of trying to appear to be an independent 3rd party while actually selling pianos…

                        The Brad

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                        • George KG George K

                          @kluurs where are you shopping/looking?

                          I might be in the market after the holidays for something basic, and reliable...

                          ...if I can convince Mrs. George, that is.

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                          #17

                          @George-K said in My next piano??:

                          @kluurs where are you shopping/looking?

                          First stop is Pianoforte Chicago. I used to have a friend who worked there so I may have an in. They have an N1X in stock. None of the other folks currently have one available. I believe the Roland dealer is in Geneva. That's a bit of a hike, but they're a good dealer. The Casio GP510 is in Aurora. I hope to do some serious looking next week.

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                            Hay, @jon-nyc ! Which Clav do you have?

                            Are you happy with it?

                            What influenced your choice of this particular model?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              I have the CLP-645. I think there was a higher end model at the time but I preferred the 645 when I tried it.

                              Space didn’t allow the avant- grand and I didn’t want the one with the real upright action. I thought a simulated grand action would be better for me than a real upright action.

                              Oh, and mine has a Yamaha sampled voice and a Bosendorfer sampled voice.

                              I love it and still play it every day. Rich G gave me a deal on it too.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Thanks.

                                It looks like the 645 is no longer in the lineup, having been replaced by the 745.

                                As I've mentioned, my Kawai has become unplayable and I'm looking for a moderately priced replacement.

                                Being retired, budget is a consideration, of course.

                                Looking at the Yamaha CLP 725, 735 series. Also considering the YDP series, but at the higher end. Roland is another consideration.

                                I suppose I should give the Kawais another look. I've read that the Korg GA1 Air is really good in terms of action as well, as is the Casio.

                                I wish there were a way to easily compare.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
                                  Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?

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                                  • RainmanR Rainman

                                    Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
                                    Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?

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                                    @Rainman said in My next piano??:

                                    Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
                                    Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?

                                    They all have different temperaments.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @Rainman said in My next piano??:

                                      Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
                                      Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?

                                      They all have different temperaments.

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in My next piano??:

                                      @Rainman said in My next piano??:

                                      Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
                                      Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?

                                      They all have different temperaments.

                                      So they all have the ability to switch to, say, meantone temperament, or the earlier just intonation?

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                                        I love it when you guys talk dirty.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in My next piano??:

                                          @Rainman said in My next piano??:

                                          Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
                                          Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?

                                          They all have different temperaments.

                                          So they all have the ability to switch to, say, meantone temperament, or the earlier just intonation?

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                                          @Rainman said in My next piano??:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in My next piano??:

                                          @Rainman said in My next piano??:

                                          Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
                                          Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?

                                          They all have different temperaments.

                                          So they all have the ability to switch to, say, meantone temperament, or the earlier just intonation?

                                          Meantone, Pythagorean, Pure Major/Pure Minor, Werckmeister, Kimberger…

                                          The Brad

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