My next piano??
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wrote on 24 Nov 2022, 01:53 last edited by
I dunno, this outfit seems just a bit on the shady side.
Thoughts?
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I dunno, this outfit seems just a bit on the shady side.
Thoughts?
wrote on 24 Nov 2022, 04:11 last edited by@George-K said in My next piano??:
I dunno, this outfit seems just a bit on the shady side.
Thoughts?
I don’t really think shady, just riding the line of trying to appear to be an independent 3rd party while actually selling pianos…
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@kluurs where are you shopping/looking?
I might be in the market after the holidays for something basic, and reliable...
...if I can convince Mrs. George, that is.
wrote on 24 Nov 2022, 07:09 last edited by kluurs@George-K said in My next piano??:
@kluurs where are you shopping/looking?
First stop is Pianoforte Chicago. I used to have a friend who worked there so I may have an in. They have an N1X in stock. None of the other folks currently have one available. I believe the Roland dealer is in Geneva. That's a bit of a hike, but they're a good dealer. The Casio GP510 is in Aurora. I hope to do some serious looking next week.
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wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 01:35 last edited by
I have the CLP-645. I think there was a higher end model at the time but I preferred the 645 when I tried it.
Space didn’t allow the avant- grand and I didn’t want the one with the real upright action. I thought a simulated grand action would be better for me than a real upright action.
Oh, and mine has a Yamaha sampled voice and a Bosendorfer sampled voice.
I love it and still play it every day. Rich G gave me a deal on it too.
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wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 01:53 last edited by
Thanks.
It looks like the 645 is no longer in the lineup, having been replaced by the 745.
As I've mentioned, my Kawai has become unplayable and I'm looking for a moderately priced replacement.
Being retired, budget is a consideration, of course.
Looking at the Yamaha CLP 725, 735 series. Also considering the YDP series, but at the higher end. Roland is another consideration.
I suppose I should give the Kawais another look. I've read that the Korg GA1 Air is really good in terms of action as well, as is the Casio.
I wish there were a way to easily compare.
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wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 03:33 last edited by
Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it? -
Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 19:06 last edited by@Rainman said in My next piano??:
Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?They all have different temperaments.
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@Rainman said in My next piano??:
Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?They all have different temperaments.
wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 19:22 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in My next piano??:
@Rainman said in My next piano??:
Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?They all have different temperaments.
So they all have the ability to switch to, say, meantone temperament, or the earlier just intonation?
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wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 19:32 last edited by
I love it when you guys talk dirty.
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@LuFins-Dad said in My next piano??:
@Rainman said in My next piano??:
Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?They all have different temperaments.
So they all have the ability to switch to, say, meantone temperament, or the earlier just intonation?
wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 19:53 last edited by@Rainman said in My next piano??:
@LuFins-Dad said in My next piano??:
@Rainman said in My next piano??:
Years (decades?) ago, Kawai digital keyboards had a button where you could choose the tuning system. It was fun to play selections from Bach's WTC in "better" tuning systems than equal temperament, just to hear the difference.
Do Kawai keyboards still have this feature, or does anyone know if different manufacturers have it?They all have different temperaments.
So they all have the ability to switch to, say, meantone temperament, or the earlier just intonation?
Meantone, Pythagorean, Pure Major/Pure Minor, Werckmeister, Kimberger…
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wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 22:50 last edited by
I think it would be interesting, and maybe even with more emotional impact, to be able to change tuning systems during a piece, like a stop on an organ, where the audience is not aware a change has taken place. The audience would react to the music passage being even more beautiful e.g., sad, tragic, ecstatic, triumphal, etc., than the usual affect of the music. A tear in the eye could become an entire audience bawling their eyes out, thinking it's all the performer's interpretation. Hay Ax, you interested?
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I think it would be interesting, and maybe even with more emotional impact, to be able to change tuning systems during a piece, like a stop on an organ, where the audience is not aware a change has taken place. The audience would react to the music passage being even more beautiful e.g., sad, tragic, ecstatic, triumphal, etc., than the usual affect of the music. A tear in the eye could become an entire audience bawling their eyes out, thinking it's all the performer's interpretation. Hay Ax, you interested?
wrote on 29 Nov 2022, 22:53 last edited by@Rainman said in My next piano??:
I think it would be interesting, and maybe even with more emotional impact, to be able to change tuning systems during a piece, like a stop on an organ, where the audience is not aware a change has taken place. The audience would react to the music passage being even more beautiful e.g., sad, tragic, ecstatic, triumphal, etc., than the usual affect of the music. A tear in the eye could become an entire audience bawling their eyes out, thinking it's all the performer's interpretation. Hay Ax, you interested?
You can do that pretty easily…
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wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 05:08 last edited by
Yeah, if "pretty easily" means a push of a button. That's exactly what I am looking for. I really had no idea that (some of?) the high end digital pianos all had this feature! Would also like a Hammond XK-5 and of course w/ Leslie, I know exactly where they would fit in the living room. Anyway, when I get closer to buying, I'll start a thread instead of hijacking this thread. Thanks for the info LD.
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wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 06:10 last edited by
You really should look into the Pianoteq software - allows you do all kinds of interesting things - changing pitch is child's play - but you also can hear various pianos - not just the usual ones - but Broadwood, Pleyal, Streicher, Erard, etc. They have an 1899 Bechstein concert grand along with an 1850's Steinway square grand. You can adjust pitch, play with the individual tuning - a lot of flexibility.
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You really should look into the Pianoteq software - allows you do all kinds of interesting things - changing pitch is child's play - but you also can hear various pianos - not just the usual ones - but Broadwood, Pleyal, Streicher, Erard, etc. They have an 1899 Bechstein concert grand along with an 1850's Steinway square grand. You can adjust pitch, play with the individual tuning - a lot of flexibility.
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wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 14:11 last edited by
@George-K said in My next piano??:
@kluurs so. how's the search going?
Life's provided some distractions - but I'm hoping to hit Pianoforte today - and try out the Yamahas. We'll see. I've got the Casio as a proof of concept - and have added the Pianoteq software which makes it sound great - so it is really just the action/durability that I'm thinking about. The one thing that I started thinking about it I'm 68, hands are getting more stiff/arthritic each year - and how long before my playing time expires - 5, 10, 15 years? The horizon isn't as long as it once was for sure - but I know if I fall in love with one of the pianos, it may become clearer. Otherwise, with the newly added software - I can have a lot of fun.with what I have.
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@George-K said in My next piano??:
@kluurs so. how's the search going?
Life's provided some distractions - but I'm hoping to hit Pianoforte today - and try out the Yamahas. We'll see. I've got the Casio as a proof of concept - and have added the Pianoteq software which makes it sound great - so it is really just the action/durability that I'm thinking about. The one thing that I started thinking about it I'm 68, hands are getting more stiff/arthritic each year - and how long before my playing time expires - 5, 10, 15 years? The horizon isn't as long as it once was for sure - but I know if I fall in love with one of the pianos, it may become clearer. Otherwise, with the newly added software - I can have a lot of fun.with what I have.
wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 14:15 last edited by@kluurs said in My next piano??:
so it is really just the action/durability that I'm thinking about.
That is my #1 concern. I'm not all that concerned about the sound, but I want something that'll last me with fairly rigorous playing.
My Kawai CE200 is worn out, and it's not worth repairing.
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@kluurs said in My next piano??:
so it is really just the action/durability that I'm thinking about.
That is my #1 concern. I'm not all that concerned about the sound, but I want something that'll last me with fairly rigorous playing.
My Kawai CE200 is worn out, and it's not worth repairing.
wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 15:25 last edited by@George-K A friend in the "business" says that for the under $2,000 digitals - just think of them as microwave ovens. Nice when they work. When they stop - just toss. The challenge with the real action pianos is finding the appropriate repair person - not a huge problem in Chicago - but maybe a bit more difficult in Nowhere, Iowa.
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@George-K A friend in the "business" says that for the under $2,000 digitals - just think of them as microwave ovens. Nice when they work. When they stop - just toss. The challenge with the real action pianos is finding the appropriate repair person - not a huge problem in Chicago - but maybe a bit more difficult in Nowhere, Iowa.
wrote on 30 Nov 2022, 15:35 last edited by@kluurs said in My next piano??:
@George-K A friend in the "business" says that for the under $2,000 digitals - just think of them as microwave ovens. Nice when they work. When they stop - just toss. The challenge with the real action pianos is finding the appropriate repair person - not a huge problem in Chicago - but maybe a bit more difficult in Nowhere, Iowa.
Not with the Avants. It is the physical action. I run into that a lot, though. The technician says he can’t do it until you open it up…
I’m a Yamaha fanboy and am considering getting a CVP809 for home next year. Jon made a good choice with the CLP645. The touch is fine and is even better on the CLP745. That being said, if your concern strictly is the action, the Roland is closer, in my opinion. It also carries a 10 year warrant (addressing your longevity concerns), and has 100 levels for adjusting the “weight”…