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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
    #2

    As we discussed in the other thread, it is a good way of minimizing the fringe candidates.

    Think of going for a banquet meal where they ask for your choice of food. The leading vote getter will be served to all guests. The choices are:

    1. steak
    2. chicken pasta
    3. salmon
    4. fake imitation meat vegan meal

    Of the 100 people at the banquet, 26 are hard hard core vegan, and the remaining 74 are split equal among #1-#3. Most of the other 74 dont hate vegan but would greatly prefer #1- #3.

    If the banquet hall just does top vote choice, vegan will win and 74 people will not be super happy.

    If the banquet asks for a first and second choice, and then picks the one menu item to serve based on that, more than 74 people will get a meal that is acceptable.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

      That's not democracy, my friend.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        BTW, as I understand it, Nevada is going to ranked choice voting.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

          That's not democracy, my friend.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          #5

          @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

          So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

          That's not democracy, my friend.

          A majority of voters selected Warnock in GA, but that’s going to a runoff…

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

            So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

            That's not democracy, my friend.

            A majority of voters selected Warnock in GA, but that’s going to a runoff…

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

            @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

            So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

            That's not democracy, my friend.

            A majority of voters selected Warnock in GA, but that’s going to a runoff…

            We have the same law in Louisiana. A majority is considered 50% + 1.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

              @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

              So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

              That's not democracy, my friend.

              A majority of voters selected Warnock in GA, but that’s going to a runoff…

              We have the same law in Louisiana. A majority is considered 50% + 1.

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              @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

              @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

              @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

              So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

              That's not democracy, my friend.

              A majority of voters selected Warnock in GA, but that’s going to a runoff…

              We have the same law in Louisiana. A majority is considered 50% + 1.

              Well, in that case, a majority did not select the other Republican in Alaska. It’s 42-41 if I remember correctly.

              The Brad

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                Then have a run-off. One man, one vote for a candidate of his choice.

                A pox on multiple choices.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                  @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                  So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

                  That's not democracy, my friend.

                  A majority of voters selected Warnock in GA, but that’s going to a runoff…

                  We have the same law in Louisiana. A majority is considered 50% + 1.

                  Well, in that case, a majority did not select the other Republican in Alaska. It’s 42-41 if I remember correctly.

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                  George K
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                  a majority did not select the other Republican in Alaska

                  Or a president in, 2016, 2000,1996,1992, etc..

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                    a majority did not select the other Republican in Alaska

                    Or a president in, 2016, 2000,1996,1992, etc..

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    @George-K said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                    a majority did not select the other Republican in Alaska

                    Or a president in, 2016, 2000,1996,1992, etc..

                    Different system. Interestingly enough, I've seen some mutterings about trying that on a state level.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @George-K said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                      a majority did not select the other Republican in Alaska

                      Or a president in, 2016, 2000,1996,1992, etc..

                      Different system. Interestingly enough, I've seen some mutterings about trying that on a state level.

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                      @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                      Different system.

                      Of course. But in all those years that I cited (and many, many more before that) a majority of the population didn't chose the man who became POTUS.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

                        That's not democracy, my friend.

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                        @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                        So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

                        That's not democracy, my friend.

                        A majority of Americans can choose a candidate as their President yet the candidate can lose the race. Yet I don’t see you complaining about the electoral college.

                        Anyway, got a university or community college near you? Take a game theory class if one is available, else a statistics class.

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

                          That's not democracy, my friend.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          @Jolly said in The problem with ranked voting...:

                          So, a majority of people can choose a candidate as their number one selection, yet that candidate can lose the race?

                          No. Ranked choice only comes into play if no one gets a majority.

                          It’s basically just a pre-registered set of runoffs. If Murkowsky beats Tshibaca it will be because more Alaskans prefer Murkowsky over her, period.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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