"Dune" fans?
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@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
I fear that this series will be like Apple's adaptation of "Foundation." Not really bad, in fact, pretty good. But it has little to do with the books, other than the general concept.
I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.
Film and TV adaptations are like cover bands: you have two options. Either get as close and identical to the source material as you possibly can (To Kill a Mockingbird), or you just gotta completely own the differences and go way off the reservation to make the adaptation truly your own (The Shining).
All or nothin'. None of this in-between shit.
wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 22:47 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.
Maybe the focus-grouping's objective is something a bit less ambitious than "greatness," maybe it's mere commercial profitability that they're after.
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@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
Worm riding. It was truly spectacularly well done. Brought a big smile to my face.
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out. Been waiting a couple of years. Expectations were absolutely cranked.
And it did not disappoint. It was so excellent. I want to go back just for that alone.
wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 22:50 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 23:02 last edited by@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds as though that misses the point as badly as making Paul into a hero.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 23:12 last edited by@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.
Maybe the focus-grouping's objective is something a bit less ambitious than "greatness," maybe it's mere commercial profitability that they're after.
wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 23:14 last edited by@Axtremus said in "Dune" fans?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.
Maybe the focus-grouping's objective is something a bit less ambitious than "greatness," maybe it's mere commercial profitability that they're after.
Yes, Ax, I know that, as does everybody else.
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@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 23:39 last edited by Doctor Phibes 3 Jun 2024, 23:40@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
The sequels don't make sense unless Chani dies in childbirth while with Paul, and Paul doesn't get to partially redeem himself, which is key to the story.
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wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 23:56 last edited by
Rumor is that a 3rd movie is in the early planning stages. Villeneuve (sp?) wants to do it, but he has other stuff that he wants to do first.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
The sequels don't make sense unless Chani dies in childbirth while with Paul, and Paul doesn't get to partially redeem himself, which is key to the story.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 00:09 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
The sequels don't make sense unless Chani dies in childbirth while with Paul, and Paul doesn't get to partially redeem himself, which is key to the story.
Still very much a possibility if they make subsequent movies.
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@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds as though that misses the point as badly as making Paul into a hero.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 00:09 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:
@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds as though that misses the point as badly as making Paul into a hero.
I could see it going both ways.
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@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 00:19 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
Yeah, and the Fremen aren’t exactly those blue skinny aliens, either. The Fremen were a very… I don’t want to say bloodthirsty .. let’s call them a practical people when it comes to death and war and spilling the blood of their enemies. If Chani is walking because of horror at the continued death and destruction across the universe being visited upon these planets by the Fremen? That’s out of character. If she’s walking because of what it’s doing to Paul to have to be this abomination? Ok.
If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.
The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.
Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?
Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.
Yeah, and the Fremen aren’t exactly those blue skinny aliens, either. The Fremen were a very… I don’t want to say bloodthirsty .. let’s call them a practical people when it comes to death and war and spilling the blood of their enemies. If Chani is walking because of horror at the continued death and destruction across the universe being visited upon these planets by the Fremen? That’s out of character. If she’s walking because of what it’s doing to Paul to have to be this abomination? Ok.
If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 00:24 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:
If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.
I got the distinct impression that's what it was.
Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.
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@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:
If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.
I got the distinct impression that's what it was.
Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 00:45 last edited by@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:
If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.
I got the distinct impression that's what it was.
Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.
Jesus
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@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:
If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.
I got the distinct impression that's what it was.
Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.
Jesus
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 00:55 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:
@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:
@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:
If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.
I got the distinct impression that's what it was.
Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.
JesusMuad' Dib.As I mentioned, there are some real liberties taken with the story. Because it's such massive work, I understand the need to be selective about what's shown.
But I don't understand some of the stuff, like not putting Fred's poison into the duel.
On the other hand, if I hadn't read the book, I would have thought this was a really great tale, well-told. That thought crossed my mind several times during the movie.
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wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 01:00 last edited by
It's not as bad as Peter Jackson tossing the dwarf.
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wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 01:04 last edited by
Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.
And Chani was pissed at Paul long before the Irulan thing, so I don't think that was it.
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Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.
And Chani was pissed at Paul long before the Irulan thing, so I don't think that was it.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 01:08 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:
Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.
Exactly my thoughts. I took it for what it was. And that was REALLY well done.
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wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 01:48 last edited by
Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.
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Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 02:13 last edited by George K 3 Jul 2024, 02:14@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:
Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.
I have to re-watch it. I last saw it about a month ago.
Might be interesting.
Remember, the movie ends where Paul and Jessica end up in the desert and meet the Fremen.
ETA: It was my impression that the first movie was closer to the book than the 2nd.
Other than the rushed Dr. Yueh stuff, the missing "Dining" scene, the irrelevance of Thufir....
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wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 03:37 last edited by
As a movie, well done, yes, very competently executed, but not innovative or groundbreaking like Star Wars was at the time. As for as the story goes, it still looks like a "chosen-one hero" sort of story, and the hero is not even that complicated/conflicted a character. The complex politics aren't quite getting through. Quite impressed by the worm riding scenes and the large scale military conflict scenes, though.
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Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.
wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 12:15 last edited by