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Carbon Footprint of EVs

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Driving Electric Cars Produces Little Carbon. Making the Batteries Produces a Lot.

    "The world has 15, 18 million electric vehicles now," says Mills. "If we [somehow] get to 500 million, that would reduce world oil consumption by about 10 percent. That's not nothing, but it doesn't end the use of oil."

    Most of the world's oil is used by things like "airplanes, buses, big trucks, and the mining equipment that gets the copper to build the electric cars."

    Although driving an electric car puts little additional carbon into the air, producing the electricity to charge its battery adds plenty. Most of America's electricity is produced by burning natural gas and coal. Just 12 percent comes from wind or solar power.

    Auto companies don't advertise that. "Electric vehicles in general are better and more sustainable for the environment," says Ford's Linda Zhang in a BBC interview.

    "She's a Ford engineer," I say to Mills. "She's not ignorant."

    "She's not stupid," he replies. "But ignorance speaks to what you know. You have to mine, somewhere on earth, 500,000 pounds of minerals and rock to make one battery."

    "Volkswagen published an honest study [in which they] point out that the first 60,000 miles or so you're driving an electric vehicle, that electric vehicle will have emitted more carbon dioxide than if you just drove a conventional vehicle."

    You would have to drive an electric car "100,000 miles" to reduce emissions by just "20 or 30 percent, which is not nothing, but it's not zero."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Away
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      Um..you might want to edit the title to EVs.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • 89th8 Online
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        I mean, maybe he's referring to the yet-to-be-created televehicles, which teleport you from one location to another.

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        • MikM Mik

          Um..you might want to edit the title to EVs.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @Mik said in Carbon Footprint of TVs:

          Um..you might want to edit the title to EVs.

          Facepalm.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            I’ve lost 20% of the accrued admiration for your masterful parentheses usage last night. Still 80% remaining and a solid net win though.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              I’ve lost 20% of the accrued admiration for your masterful parentheses usage last night. Still 80% remaining and a solid net win though.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              @Horace said in Carbon Footprint of EVs:

              I’ve lost 20% of the accrued admiration for your masterful parentheses usage last night. Still 80% remaining and a solid net win though.

              Thank you for your support and encouragement.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                ((Jesus))

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Now we have established that EVs are expensive, dirty, unreliable and fail to be able to do what they are intended to do.

                  Why is GM committed to building nothing but EVs? Surely they know about these problems.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                        @George-K said in Carbon Footprint of EVs:

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                        That’s racist!

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          And transphobic.

                          The Brad

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