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Teddy Goes Down

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/museum-of-natural-history-to-take-down-theodore-roosevelt-statue/2477273/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Catseye3
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      I wonder how many protesters will be needed to take down the Statue of Liberty?

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        xenon
        wrote on last edited by xenon
        #3

        There's apparently a renaming front this thing as well.

        CancelYale was trending a day or so ago, because Yale was a slave trader.

        Wait till people find out that New York was named after the Duke of York. I think he oversaw one of the most prolific slave trading operations (slaves in the six figures). They were often branded DY.

        Wonder what NYC will be renamed to....

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          Renauda
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          #4

          No, New York was named after York, England. An Archbishopric and city dating from medieval times to be precise. The Duke of York is a peerage reserved for male members of the Royal Family, also dating from medieval times.

          Elbows up!

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            It can be both.

            From Wikipedia:

            Some names were carried over directly and are found throughout the country (such as Manchester, Birmingham and Rochester). Others carry the prefix "New"; for example, the largest city in the US, New York, was named after York because King Charles II gave the land to his brother, James, the Duke of York (later James II).[1][2]

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              xenon
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              #6

              National Geographic kids doesn’t sound like a very authoritative source, but was high on google

              https://kids.nationalgeographic.com/explore/states/new-york/

              WHY’S IT CALLED THAT?

              New York was named after the British Duke of York. Many experts believe it’s nicknamed the Empire State because George Washington called New York “the seat of the Empire.””

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                Renauda
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                #7

                I am almost certain the city and not the peer, was in the minds of those who gave New York its name. I have in past had to read too much nonsense allegedly about my part of the world to give much of any credibility to National Geographic on the naming of New York. Great photos though.

                Elbows up!

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                • Catseye3C Offline
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                  Yeah, like New Amsterdam and New Orleans.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    I am almost certain the city and not the peer, was in the minds of those who gave New York its name. I have in past had to read too much nonsense allegedly about my part of the world to give much of any credibility to National Geographic on the naming of New York. Great photos though.

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                    xenon
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                    #9

                    @Renauda bbc and plenty of other sources say the same thing. I’m sure the real answer or most likely opinion is in some history book.

                    As I said, it’s seems the naming is in part a personal tribute to that British dude and the chief city of his dukedom. Obviously if the city York didn’t exist, there wouldn’t be New York.

                    https://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2015/02/7-american-cities-british-namesakes

                    1. New York City, NY
                      The English weren’t the first to settle in New York, with the Dutch arriving in 1609 founding a trading post in 1624, but they were the last to take claim. In 1664 an English fleet arrived to the new land and the Dutch bowed out, and in 1674 the area was renamed New York after the Duke of York, James II, the brother of King Charles II. New York City is the largest city in the U.S. population-wise with approximately eight million people. York, England, on the other hand is a walled city, with approximately 200,000 people in residence. It makes us think of a gated community like here in the U.S., but … with battlement..
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                      #10

                      From the New York State Senate:

                      1664

                      In the Charter of 1664, New Netherland is claimed for England by King Charles II, who gives it to his brother, James, the Duke of York and Albany and later known as King James II. Under this charter for New York, the Duke of York has the power to establish laws, appoint officials, and make judiciary decisions that can only be appealed to the Privy Council in England. Eventually, the duke delegates many of his powers to his governors and establishes a "Council" which consists of important citizens who advise the governor..

                      https://www.nysenate.gov/timeline

                      If I’m reading that correctly it became part of his Dukedom

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                        Renauda
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                        #11

                        Makes sense for it to be named after the peerage itself, which after all takes its name from a place. Arguably then we are both correct.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/museum-of-natural-history-to-take-down-theodore-roosevelt-statue/2477273/

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                          @Jolly said in Teddy Goes Down:

                          https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/museum-of-natural-history-to-take-down-theodore-roosevelt-statue/2477273/

                          They are just making space for a new Trump statue.

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            Makes sense for it to be named after the peerage itself, which after all takes its name from a place. Arguably then we are both correct.

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                            @Renauda said in Teddy Goes Down:

                            Makes sense for it to be named after the peerage itself, which after all takes its name from a place. Arguably then we are both correct.

                            Yes, and the song, "Teddy Goes Down to Georgia" came after the naming.

                            We are all 3 now correct, the world can take a week off.

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                              Seen on Twitter:

                              "Let me get this straight... they're removing the statue of the Roosevelt who didn't put American citizens into internment camps??"

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                So a friend of mine is a C-level exec at at the Museum. Hates woke everything. He said the prevailing view is by sacrificing this statue they’ll relieve pressure against others (statues and artifacts).

                                I doubt it.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  So a friend of mine is a C-level exec at at the Museum. Hates woke everything. He said the prevailing view is by sacrificing this statue they’ll relieve pressure against others (statues and artifacts).

                                  I doubt it.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @jon-nyc said in Teddy Goes Down:

                                  So a friend of mine is a C-level exec at at the Museum. Hates woke everything. He said the prevailing view is by sacrificing this statue they’ll relieve pressure against others (statues and artifacts).

                                  I doubt it.

                                  Feed the mob, is usually not a winning strategy.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • MikM Away
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                                    Mik
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                                    I suspect you are right.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Night at the Museum is going to be really awkward from now on.

                                      The Brad

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