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The king is dead, long love the king

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  • M Mik
    20 Jun 2020, 22:37

    Of course you do.

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    xenon
    wrote on 20 Jun 2020, 22:39 last edited by
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    @Mik and the CBO

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      xenon
      wrote on 20 Jun 2020, 22:40 last edited by xenon
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      I didn’t think this would be a contentious point.

      Why is Trump’s debt (pre-coronavirus) higher than Obama’s second term?

      That’s insanity given the state of the economy.

      EDIT: and to clarify, I “blame” Trump and Obama less for the debt accumulation under their term than most. Presidents do have lots of influence - but macro environment and congress are usually bigger drivers.

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        Mik
        wrote on 20 Jun 2020, 23:12 last edited by
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        Yet you bring it out, swing it like a cudgel then try to backpedal when you get resistance.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • M Mik
          20 Jun 2020, 23:12

          Yet you bring it out, swing it like a cudgel then try to backpedal when you get resistance.

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          xenon
          wrote on 20 Jun 2020, 23:14 last edited by
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          @Mik haven’t backpedaled one thing

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            xenon
            wrote on 20 Jun 2020, 23:21 last edited by xenon
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            Obama averaged a little over $1T a year, front loaded because of the financial crisis (last couple of years were in the half trillion neighborhood)

            Trump was supposed to be greater than $1T this year pre-covid.

            CBO was projecting >$1T deficits all the way to to 2030 pre-covid.

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              Larry
              wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 01:33 last edited by
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              Don't forget to factor in all the money it took to rebuild things that Obama had decimatef.. like our military.

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              • L Larry
                21 Jun 2020, 01:33

                Don't forget to factor in all the money it took to rebuild things that Obama had decimatef.. like our military.

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                xenon
                wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 01:47 last edited by xenon
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                @Larry this is a huge tangent, but shouldn’t we be saving money with all the strategic retreats around the world?

                I guess that’s a forward looking question

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                  Rainman
                  wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 02:19 last edited by
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                  So a trillion here, a trillion there.
                  When I wake up in the morning, nothing has changed.

                  Two trillion here, two trillion there.
                  Same. No refund stuff, they won't let me drive an aircraft carrier, taxes went down, import tax went up, shipping costs doubled.

                  Three trillion here, three trillion there.

                  😐

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 14:10 last edited by
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                    I was kind of laugh to myself with this discussion here.

                    @Mik I respect your posts, but the President is the President in good times and in bad. If a person is going to make a comparison like @xenon did over a specific time frame (for example in this case, the first four years of Presdients time), you have to accept all that happened in that specific time frame.

                    IF President Trump didn't have the pandemic
                    IF President Bush didn't have the Great Recession
                    IF President Obama didn't have the housing crisis
                    IF IF IF

                    Well,those things happened. PERIOD. There is not IF.

                    This is common to both republics and democrats. The theme for both sides is "we would have been the best President/party EVER IF this didn't happen."

                    But it did, and they have to accept responsibility!!

                    I respect the President Truman who had the sign on his desk - "The Buck Stops Here!" I think (sadly) that both sides seem to have forgotten that.

                    If something bad happens during your sides period in office, it is not their fault and should be overlooked. If something bad happens during the other sides period in ofice, they need to accept responsibility. LOL

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 14:13 last edited by
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                      Look here, TG...it's FATHERS DAY...YOU don't get to make the rules. 😆

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Catseye3
                        wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 14:14 last edited by
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                        TG, you really have to come over here and be president. Really, you really, really do. Rainman said he'd get you around the not-born-here thing in the Constitution, and I believe him.

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • M Mik
                          21 Jun 2020, 14:13

                          Look here, TG...it's FATHERS DAY...YOU don't get to make the rules. 😆

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 14:32 last edited by
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                          @Mik said in The king is dead, long love the king:

                          Look here, TG...it's FATHERS DAY...YOU don't get to make the rules. 😆

                          😘

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                          • C Catseye3
                            21 Jun 2020, 14:14

                            TG, you really have to come over here and be president. Really, you really, really do. Rainman said he'd get you around the not-born-here thing in the Constitution, and I believe him.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 14:42 last edited by
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                            @Catseye3 said in The king is dead, long love the king:

                            TG, you really have to come over here and be president. Really, you really, really do. Rainman said he'd get you around the not-born-here thing in the Constitution, and I believe him.

                            Why not? Obama got around it....

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Rainman
                              wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 19:31 last edited by
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                              As long as I get to drive the limo, and use it once in a while on weekends, we can consider this a done deal.

                              TG for President!!!!

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 19:32 last edited by Catseye3
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                                All right, we have a groundswell!

                                TG for President!

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 20:41 last edited by
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                                  I live in the Chicago area. I'll vote twice, or more, if needed!

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Rainman
                                    wrote on 21 Jun 2020, 21:05 last edited by
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                                    Limo rides $20.00 / 5 minutes.
                                    Sign up now at Presidential Caddy 555-343-1600

                                    BUT WAIT!
                                    Order now, and receive 1 extra minute, plus 1 drink from the limo bar featuring Taiwan Girl's favorite: Everclear Neat 2/oz

                                    Drink like TG, and you will feel presidential too!

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                                    • R Rainman
                                      21 Jun 2020, 21:05

                                      Limo rides $20.00 / 5 minutes.
                                      Sign up now at Presidential Caddy 555-343-1600

                                      BUT WAIT!
                                      Order now, and receive 1 extra minute, plus 1 drink from the limo bar featuring Taiwan Girl's favorite: Everclear Neat 2/oz

                                      Drink like TG, and you will feel presidential too!

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on 22 Jun 2020, 00:29 last edited by
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                                      @Rainman said in The king is dead, long love the king:

                                      Limo rides $20.00 / 5 minutes.
                                      Sign up now at Presidential Caddy 555-343-1600

                                      BUT WAIT!
                                      Order now, and receive 1 extra minute, plus 1 drink from the limo bar featuring Taiwan Girl's favorite: Everclear Neat 2/oz

                                      Drink like TG, and you will feel presidential too!

                                      I have that asian gene that does not "metabolize" alcohol very well. It would take a lot less than 2oz to make me a drunk. 55555

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                                        Rainman
                                        wrote on 22 Jun 2020, 02:52 last edited by
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                                        Not to worry, TG.
                                        You will pretty much run the world. If you don't wanna drink, you won't have to. We'll just roll you a doobie at breakfast, you'll be ready for a Trumpian type day.

                                        Was there a topic for this thread, or did I completely ruin it.

                                        Sorry. My almost sincerest apologies.

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