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The king is dead, long love the king

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  • MikM Mik

    Which is total bullshit. Had it not been for the pandemic he would have added about $2T.

    Please. You're better than this.

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    xenon
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    @Mik housing crisis was a thing too.

    I think Trump was gonna win even without the pandemic.

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      If you compare Obama’s 2nd term to Trump’s first the different is more stark

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        Of course you do.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Of course you do.

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          xenon
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          @Mik and the CBO

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            I didn’t think this would be a contentious point.

            Why is Trump’s debt (pre-coronavirus) higher than Obama’s second term?

            That’s insanity given the state of the economy.

            EDIT: and to clarify, I “blame” Trump and Obama less for the debt accumulation under their term than most. Presidents do have lots of influence - but macro environment and congress are usually bigger drivers.

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              Yet you bring it out, swing it like a cudgel then try to backpedal when you get resistance.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                Yet you bring it out, swing it like a cudgel then try to backpedal when you get resistance.

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                xenon
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                @Mik haven’t backpedaled one thing

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                  xenon
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                  #16

                  Obama averaged a little over $1T a year, front loaded because of the financial crisis (last couple of years were in the half trillion neighborhood)

                  Trump was supposed to be greater than $1T this year pre-covid.

                  CBO was projecting >$1T deficits all the way to to 2030 pre-covid.

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                    Don't forget to factor in all the money it took to rebuild things that Obama had decimatef.. like our military.

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                    • LarryL Larry

                      Don't forget to factor in all the money it took to rebuild things that Obama had decimatef.. like our military.

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                      xenon
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                      @Larry this is a huge tangent, but shouldn’t we be saving money with all the strategic retreats around the world?

                      I guess that’s a forward looking question

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                        So a trillion here, a trillion there.
                        When I wake up in the morning, nothing has changed.

                        Two trillion here, two trillion there.
                        Same. No refund stuff, they won't let me drive an aircraft carrier, taxes went down, import tax went up, shipping costs doubled.

                        Three trillion here, three trillion there.

                        😐

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                          I was kind of laugh to myself with this discussion here.

                          @Mik I respect your posts, but the President is the President in good times and in bad. If a person is going to make a comparison like @xenon did over a specific time frame (for example in this case, the first four years of Presdients time), you have to accept all that happened in that specific time frame.

                          IF President Trump didn't have the pandemic
                          IF President Bush didn't have the Great Recession
                          IF President Obama didn't have the housing crisis
                          IF IF IF

                          Well,those things happened. PERIOD. There is not IF.

                          This is common to both republics and democrats. The theme for both sides is "we would have been the best President/party EVER IF this didn't happen."

                          But it did, and they have to accept responsibility!!

                          I respect the President Truman who had the sign on his desk - "The Buck Stops Here!" I think (sadly) that both sides seem to have forgotten that.

                          If something bad happens during your sides period in office, it is not their fault and should be overlooked. If something bad happens during the other sides period in ofice, they need to accept responsibility. LOL

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                            Look here, TG...it's FATHERS DAY...YOU don't get to make the rules. 😆

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              TG, you really have to come over here and be president. Really, you really, really do. Rainman said he'd get you around the not-born-here thing in the Constitution, and I believe him.

                              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Look here, TG...it's FATHERS DAY...YOU don't get to make the rules. 😆

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                                @Mik said in The king is dead, long love the king:

                                Look here, TG...it's FATHERS DAY...YOU don't get to make the rules. 😆

                                😘

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                                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                  TG, you really have to come over here and be president. Really, you really, really do. Rainman said he'd get you around the not-born-here thing in the Constitution, and I believe him.

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                                  @Catseye3 said in The king is dead, long love the king:

                                  TG, you really have to come over here and be president. Really, you really, really do. Rainman said he'd get you around the not-born-here thing in the Constitution, and I believe him.

                                  Why not? Obama got around it....

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    As long as I get to drive the limo, and use it once in a while on weekends, we can consider this a done deal.

                                    TG for President!!!!

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                                      All right, we have a groundswell!

                                      TG for President!

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        George K
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                                        I live in the Chicago area. I'll vote twice, or more, if needed!

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Rainman
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                                          Limo rides $20.00 / 5 minutes.
                                          Sign up now at Presidential Caddy 555-343-1600

                                          BUT WAIT!
                                          Order now, and receive 1 extra minute, plus 1 drink from the limo bar featuring Taiwan Girl's favorite: Everclear Neat 2/oz

                                          Drink like TG, and you will feel presidential too!

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