Much Rejoicing
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wrote on 10 Oct 2022, 22:13 last edited by
Somewhere I read that their "backtracking" isn't quite as complete as you'd like to think.
Ebay no longer uses PayPal, by the way.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2022, 22:20 last edited by
From Reason: "PayPal is free to put in place whatever policies it thinks are best, but the company shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t trust it to correctly define terms like misinformation, hate, or intolerance—and, thus, take their business elsewhere."
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wrote on 10 Oct 2022, 22:23 last edited by
Over 300 million folks in the U.S. 40% will not agree with the politics of Paypal's decision.
Bad, bad business plan. What were they thinking?
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Over 300 million folks in the U.S. 40% will not agree with the politics of Paypal's decision.
Bad, bad business plan. What were they thinking?
wrote on 10 Oct 2022, 22:30 last edited by@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
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@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
wrote on 10 Oct 2022, 22:37 last edited by@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
Venmo is PayPal…
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@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
Venmo is PayPal…
wrote on 10 Oct 2022, 22:44 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Much Rejoicing:
Venmo is PayPal…
The hell you say. I wasn't aware. Well, 'bye then.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2022, 23:37 last edited by
There are millions of measurably intelligent and normal people who believe America is under existential threat via misinformation of the sort that might get Republicans elected. That cohort is strongly represented right here on the piano forums. Why wouldn't they support these sorts of policies?
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wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 00:30 last edited by
I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
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Over 300 million folks in the U.S. 40% will not agree with the politics of Paypal's decision.
Bad, bad business plan. What were they thinking?
wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 00:57 last edited by@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
A room full of highly paid people thought this was a great idea.
I guess that's not surprising.
Anyone can just make up stupid rules these days.
Indigenous Peoples Day for example.
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I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 02:50 last edited by@Mik said in Much Rejoicing:
I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
All money in your PayPal account is legally PayPal’s. This becomes evident when a transaction is disputed and they freeze your account or forcibly reverse money from it. If you owned the money in the account, they wouldn’t have the authority to do that. I learned this 20+ years ago when I was selling computer game items and the transactions would get reversed after the buyer lied to PayPal that I scammed them.
I assume “fines” are taken from the person’s PayPal account or levied against income to it, but wouldn’t extend beyond that.
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@Mik said in Much Rejoicing:
I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
All money in your PayPal account is legally PayPal’s. This becomes evident when a transaction is disputed and they freeze your account or forcibly reverse money from it. If you owned the money in the account, they wouldn’t have the authority to do that. I learned this 20+ years ago when I was selling computer game items and the transactions would get reversed after the buyer lied to PayPal that I scammed them.
I assume “fines” are taken from the person’s PayPal account or levied against income to it, but wouldn’t extend beyond that.
wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 15:07 last edited by@Horace said in Much Rejoicing:
All money in your PayPal account is legally PayPal’s.
That is one reason I never left money in PayPal for more than a few minutes.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 18:56 last edited by
PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
This incident inspired Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA and writer for The Volokh Conspiracy, to take a closer look at the policies PayPal already has in place. What he found alarmed him: PayPal prohibits "activities that…relate to…the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime."
Violating that policy can also result in a $2,500 fine. Volokh warns that sharply criticizing a religion or government officials could be construed as the promotion of hate—and could theoretically violate that policy.
"Sounds like a good reason to think twice about using PayPal," he writes. "I've just withdrawn the $1000+ I have in my PayPal account, and I'm starting the process of disentangling myself from the service to the extent possible."
PayPal is free to put in place whatever policies it thinks are best, but the company shouldn't be surprised if people don't trust it to correctly define terms like misinformation, hate, or intolerance—and, thus, take their business elsewhere.
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PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
This incident inspired Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA and writer for The Volokh Conspiracy, to take a closer look at the policies PayPal already has in place. What he found alarmed him: PayPal prohibits "activities that…relate to…the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime."
Violating that policy can also result in a $2,500 fine. Volokh warns that sharply criticizing a religion or government officials could be construed as the promotion of hate—and could theoretically violate that policy.
"Sounds like a good reason to think twice about using PayPal," he writes. "I've just withdrawn the $1000+ I have in my PayPal account, and I'm starting the process of disentangling myself from the service to the extent possible."
PayPal is free to put in place whatever policies it thinks are best, but the company shouldn't be surprised if people don't trust it to correctly define terms like misinformation, hate, or intolerance—and, thus, take their business elsewhere.
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 19:32 last edited by@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
Way to learn your lesson not at all, PayPal!
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wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 19:49 last edited by
I don’t use PayPal that much but I may close my account.
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@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
Way to learn your lesson not at all, PayPal!
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 19:50 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Much Rejoicing:
@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
Way to learn your lesson not at all, PayPal!
The whole concept is insane.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 19:56 last edited by
If a competitor company has a $2600 fine for hatred or intolerance, does that make the competitor more virtuous?
I think it is time that we as a society take a stand against $2500 fines for hatred and intolerance in our payment apps. I dream of a day when payment apps levy $2600 fines for hatred and intolerance. But I am sure the
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wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 20:01 last edited by
So this is in the terms and conditions? Reminds me of the whole “Centipad” episode of South Park.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 21:38 last edited by
Without private companies to enforce the rules, how can we end hatred?
Who else will ensure our Constitutional right to life without hatred?
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wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 22:17 last edited by
I'm sure the person who hallucinated this crap has a MBA.
And a serious drug problem.
