Much Rejoicing
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Over 300 million folks in the U.S. 40% will not agree with the politics of Paypal's decision.
Bad, bad business plan. What were they thinking?
@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
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@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
Venmo is PayPal…
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@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
What were they thinking?
I'd guess they were thinking that a large percentage of their users are beholden to ebay.
No longer.
With the advent of Venmo, Zelle, and others, there's little reason to use PayPal, other than some obscure Germans who continue to find it relevant.
But, I won't name names.
Venmo is PayPal…
@LuFins-Dad said in Much Rejoicing:
Venmo is PayPal…
The hell you say. I wasn't aware. Well, 'bye then.
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There are millions of measurably intelligent and normal people who believe America is under existential threat via misinformation of the sort that might get Republicans elected. That cohort is strongly represented right here on the piano forums. Why wouldn't they support these sorts of policies?
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I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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Over 300 million folks in the U.S. 40% will not agree with the politics of Paypal's decision.
Bad, bad business plan. What were they thinking?
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I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
@Mik said in Much Rejoicing:
I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
All money in your PayPal account is legally PayPal’s. This becomes evident when a transaction is disputed and they freeze your account or forcibly reverse money from it. If you owned the money in the account, they wouldn’t have the authority to do that. I learned this 20+ years ago when I was selling computer game items and the transactions would get reversed after the buyer lied to PayPal that I scammed them.
I assume “fines” are taken from the person’s PayPal account or levied against income to it, but wouldn’t extend beyond that.
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@Mik said in Much Rejoicing:
I’m a little confused about what exactly would constitute misinformation on PayPal. I use it occasionally to buy thing online and that’s it. Where do they get the authority to fine a customer????
All money in your PayPal account is legally PayPal’s. This becomes evident when a transaction is disputed and they freeze your account or forcibly reverse money from it. If you owned the money in the account, they wouldn’t have the authority to do that. I learned this 20+ years ago when I was selling computer game items and the transactions would get reversed after the buyer lied to PayPal that I scammed them.
I assume “fines” are taken from the person’s PayPal account or levied against income to it, but wouldn’t extend beyond that.
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PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
This incident inspired Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA and writer for The Volokh Conspiracy, to take a closer look at the policies PayPal already has in place. What he found alarmed him: PayPal prohibits "activities that…relate to…the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime."
Violating that policy can also result in a $2,500 fine. Volokh warns that sharply criticizing a religion or government officials could be construed as the promotion of hate—and could theoretically violate that policy.
"Sounds like a good reason to think twice about using PayPal," he writes. "I've just withdrawn the $1000+ I have in my PayPal account, and I'm starting the process of disentangling myself from the service to the extent possible."
PayPal is free to put in place whatever policies it thinks are best, but the company shouldn't be surprised if people don't trust it to correctly define terms like misinformation, hate, or intolerance—and, thus, take their business elsewhere.
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PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
This incident inspired Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA and writer for The Volokh Conspiracy, to take a closer look at the policies PayPal already has in place. What he found alarmed him: PayPal prohibits "activities that…relate to…the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime."
Violating that policy can also result in a $2,500 fine. Volokh warns that sharply criticizing a religion or government officials could be construed as the promotion of hate—and could theoretically violate that policy.
"Sounds like a good reason to think twice about using PayPal," he writes. "I've just withdrawn the $1000+ I have in my PayPal account, and I'm starting the process of disentangling myself from the service to the extent possible."
PayPal is free to put in place whatever policies it thinks are best, but the company shouldn't be surprised if people don't trust it to correctly define terms like misinformation, hate, or intolerance—and, thus, take their business elsewhere.
@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
Way to learn your lesson not at all, PayPal!
Please love yourself.
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@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
Way to learn your lesson not at all, PayPal!
@Aqua-Letifer said in Much Rejoicing:
@George-K said in Much Rejoicing:
PayPal Says It Won't Fine Users $2,500 for Misinformation, but It Will Fine Them for 'Intolerance'
Way to learn your lesson not at all, PayPal!
The whole concept is insane.
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If a competitor company has a $2600 fine for hatred or intolerance, does that make the competitor more virtuous?
I think it is time that we as a society take a stand against $2500 fines for hatred and intolerance in our payment apps. I dream of a day when payment apps levy $2600 fines for hatred and intolerance. But I am sure the
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So this is in the terms and conditions? Reminds me of the whole “Centipad” episode of South Park.
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I'm sure the person who hallucinated this crap has a MBA.
And a serious drug problem.
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@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
And a serious drug problem.
If not, might be a good time to start one.
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@Jolly said in Much Rejoicing:
Old PayPal: "We won't take your money for wrongthink."
New PayPal: "We'll still take your money, but slower."
We've introduced an inactivity fee to maintain accounts that are inactive. The applicability of the service fee is limited and intended to only impact accounts that haven't been active within the past 12 months.
The User Agreement permits PayPal to assess a fee to eligible inactive accounts. Only eligible accounts with no activity in the previous 12 months will be charged an inactivity service fee. The fee will be the lesser of the account balance or €10 EUR (270 CZK, 3600 HUF) as applicable. Accounts with zero balance won’t be impacted by this fee and this charge won’t result in any negative balance.
If an account no longer has a positive balance after being charged this fee and remains inactive for another 60 days, this account may be closed after the 60 days have passed.
Notifications to inactive accounts begin November 14, 2022. You can use your PayPal account for any of the following simple actions before December 13, 2022 to avoid the fee:
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I use PayPal sometimes, but only to purchase things backed up by a credit card. Never used it as a money holder.
It does come in handy when dealing with overseas people sometimes.
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I use PayPal sometimes, but only to purchase things backed up by a credit card. Never used it as a money holder.
It does come in handy when dealing with overseas people sometimes.
@taiwan_girl said in Much Rejoicing:
I use PayPal sometimes, but only to purchase things backed up by a credit card. Never used it as a money holder.
It does come in handy when dealing with overseas people sometimes.
Same here.
