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@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
The Bureau of Investigation (BOI) was created on July 26, 1908. Attorney General Bonaparte, using Department of Justice expense funds, hired thirty-four people, including some veterans of the Secret Service, to work for a new investigative agency. Its first "chief" (the title is now "director") was Stanley Finch. Bonaparte notified the Congress of these actions in December 1908.
The bureau's first official task was visiting and making surveys of the houses of prostitution in preparation for enforcing the "White Slave Traffic Act" or Mann Act, passed on June 25, 1910. In 1932, the bureau was renamed the United States Bureau of Investigation.
Creation of FBI
The following year, 1933, the BOI was linked to the Bureau of Prohibition and rechristened the Division of Investigation (DOI); it became an independent service within the Department of Justice in 1935.[18] In the same year, its name was officially changed from the Division of Investigation to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
Napoleonic Law?
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@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
The Bureau of Investigation (BOI) was created on July 26, 1908. Attorney General Bonaparte, using Department of Justice expense funds, hired thirty-four people, including some veterans of the Secret Service, to work for a new investigative agency. Its first "chief" (the title is now "director") was Stanley Finch. Bonaparte notified the Congress of these actions in December 1908.
The bureau's first official task was visiting and making surveys of the houses of prostitution in preparation for enforcing the "White Slave Traffic Act" or Mann Act, passed on June 25, 1910. In 1932, the bureau was renamed the United States Bureau of Investigation.
Creation of FBI
The following year, 1933, the BOI was linked to the Bureau of Prohibition and rechristened the Division of Investigation (DOI); it became an independent service within the Department of Justice in 1935.[18] In the same year, its name was officially changed from the Division of Investigation to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
was told (I do not know) that the FBI was established by Executive Order.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
President (Theodore) Roosevelt instructed Attorney General Charles Bonaparte to organize an autonomous investigative service that would report only to the Attorney General.
Bonaparte reached out to other agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service, for personnel, investigators in particular. On May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department Again at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
The Bureau of Investigation (BOI) was created on July 26, 1908. Attorney General Bonaparte, using Department of Justice expense funds, hired thirty-four people, including some veterans of the Secret Service, to work for a new investigative agency. Its first "chief" (the title is now "director") was Stanley Finch. Bonaparte notified the Congress of these actions in December 1908.
The bureau's first official task was visiting and making surveys of the houses of prostitution in preparation for enforcing the "White Slave Traffic Act" or Mann Act, passed on June 25, 1910. In 1932, the bureau was renamed the United States Bureau of Investigation.
Creation of FBI
The following year, 1933, the BOI was linked to the Bureau of Prohibition and rechristened the Division of Investigation (DOI); it became an independent service within the Department of Justice in 1935.[18] In the same year, its name was officially changed from the Division of Investigation to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Then maybe they can be reorganized.
They need something. Their culture has become toxic and out of control. I thought Ruby Ridge and the Koresh debacle would have reigned them in, but they've gotten worse.
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The guy had offered to come in voluntarily.
Three months before they raided his home with guns drawn.
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Oh, it gets better ...
The Philadelphia DA (no big pro-lifer) investigated and found not enough evidence to bring charges. And ... The plaintiff in the civil suit did not show up in court. Multiple occasions, which is why the suit was dismissed
I heard Hauck's lawyer interviewed this evening and he stated he had contacted the FBI after learning they were considering charges, and offered to bring his client in to talk. They said no. This was three months before the raid.
Hauck has a clean record. He has never shown any tendency to violence.
This is a travesty and a miscarriage of justice. It is an abuse of office.
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"The surveillance video, which was shown on Sean Hannity’s Monday evening broadcast, revealed several important things. For instance, we see that Houck was not at the entrance of the abortion facility and appears to be more than 100 feet away, which is one of the stipulations of the FACE Act. Further, it is clear that the “escort” walked all the way down the sidewalk by himself in order to threaten Houck’s son. The pro-abortion activist was not escorting anyone."
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The FACE Act has a large element of horseshit to it to begin with.
This man should have never been charged. I can't believe Garland did this without a large shove from the Whitehouse. At one point in time, I felt just a tad bit sorry for him, because the Murder Turtle killed his SCOTUS seat in political payback.
It may be the best thing Mitch ever did...
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Ah, here it is...
Link to video“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Ah, here it is...
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And Cotton gets his licks in...
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And the "Aw, shucks" style of Kennedy, where he nicely tells Garland he's a liar...
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Ah, here it is...
Link to video@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
Ah, here it is...
Link to videoIn Senate testimony Tuesday, Attorney General Merrick Garland insulted our intelligence. In response to questions by Senator Ted Cruz (R., Texas), he acknowledged that no protesters had been arrested for demonstrating outside the homes of Republican-appointed Supreme Court justices, despite the fact that doing so is against federal criminal law. Yet he claimed that the decision on whether to commence criminal proceedings had been up to the United States Marshals Service — an agency within the Justice Department.
It should go without saying that the attorney general runs the Justice Department and guides the activities of its component agencies, including the Marshals Service. It should also be obvious enough that the marshals’ main jobs are to provide security for judges, courthouses, and some other federal personnel and facilities, and to apprehend fugitives. They do not do much criminal investigation. Criminal investigations are mainly handled by the FBI and other DOJ agencies that specialize in specific crime categories (e.g., the DEA handles drug-trafficking probes). Those investigations evolve into prosecutions when those agencies work in conjunction with Justice Department prosecutors.
Garland knows what he told the Senate is rubbish. Federal prosecution rarely involves crimes witnessed by law-enforcement agents who then make arrests on the scene. (That scenario is more common in local policing — but even there, most crime is reported to cops who then investigate, not witnessed by cops who make instantaneous arrests.) In the vast majority of federal cases, evidence of criminal activity is reported to agents. Based on leads from witnesses, the agents conduct follow-up investigation. When they have amassed enough evidence, they seek an arrest warrant and make an arrest — very often days, weeks, or even months after the criminal conduct occurred. Moreover, as Senator Cruz pointed out in questioning Garland, it is the Justice Department prosecutors who make the charging decision, not the federal investigative agencies.
An obvious example of this is the Capitol-riot prosecutions. Most of the over 900 cases that have been brought in connection with the riot resulted from exhaustive reviews by investigators (principally, the FBI) of tens of thousands of hours of video collected from innumerable sources, including people who made amateur recordings on January 6, 2021. The agents have also scoured telephone records (including cell-tower surveillance) and social-media platforms. If they identify even a nonviolent protester who was seen in a restricted zone on January 6, agents will travel across the country to find him and drag him back to Washington for a trial, even if the conduct in question was not only trivial but actually encouraged by police.
The FBI and other agencies are performing this arduous work at the behest of the Biden Justice Department. Prosecutors have made it clear, in light of the obvious political dimensions of the Capitol riot, that they will bring charges the Justice Department ordinarily would never bring, even against first offenders, and even for such misdemeanor crimes as parading and unlawful presence in a prohibited area — precisely the kinds of crimes the Justice Department, under Garland’s guidance, has refused to prosecute in connection with the protests at the justices’ homes.
The protesters were easily identifiable. The demonstrations at the justices’ homes were on television day after day. They were the subject of numerous amateur video recordings, just like the Capitol riot had been. The Justice Department did not need the marshals to make arrests on the spot in order to charge the lawbreakers. No charges were brought because the Biden administration encouraged the protesters’ aims and their illegal methods.
Lacking the courage of his convictions, Attorney General Garland would now have you believe that the United States Marshals Service, the most unlikely of Justice Department agencies, made the call — as if a low-level deputy marshal would have dared make an arrest on the scene when it could not have been made clearer that the Biden administration supported the protests as long as there was no physical violence. That’s a pathetic display of cowardice. It’s not that Garland could not prosecute; it’s that Garland would not prosecute.
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@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
Ah, here it is...
Link to videoIn Senate testimony Tuesday, Attorney General Merrick Garland insulted our intelligence. In response to questions by Senator Ted Cruz (R., Texas), he acknowledged that no protesters had been arrested for demonstrating outside the homes of Republican-appointed Supreme Court justices, despite the fact that doing so is against federal criminal law. Yet he claimed that the decision on whether to commence criminal proceedings had been up to the United States Marshals Service — an agency within the Justice Department.
It should go without saying that the attorney general runs the Justice Department and guides the activities of its component agencies, including the Marshals Service. It should also be obvious enough that the marshals’ main jobs are to provide security for judges, courthouses, and some other federal personnel and facilities, and to apprehend fugitives. They do not do much criminal investigation. Criminal investigations are mainly handled by the FBI and other DOJ agencies that specialize in specific crime categories (e.g., the DEA handles drug-trafficking probes). Those investigations evolve into prosecutions when those agencies work in conjunction with Justice Department prosecutors.
Garland knows what he told the Senate is rubbish. Federal prosecution rarely involves crimes witnessed by law-enforcement agents who then make arrests on the scene. (That scenario is more common in local policing — but even there, most crime is reported to cops who then investigate, not witnessed by cops who make instantaneous arrests.) In the vast majority of federal cases, evidence of criminal activity is reported to agents. Based on leads from witnesses, the agents conduct follow-up investigation. When they have amassed enough evidence, they seek an arrest warrant and make an arrest — very often days, weeks, or even months after the criminal conduct occurred. Moreover, as Senator Cruz pointed out in questioning Garland, it is the Justice Department prosecutors who make the charging decision, not the federal investigative agencies.
An obvious example of this is the Capitol-riot prosecutions. Most of the over 900 cases that have been brought in connection with the riot resulted from exhaustive reviews by investigators (principally, the FBI) of tens of thousands of hours of video collected from innumerable sources, including people who made amateur recordings on January 6, 2021. The agents have also scoured telephone records (including cell-tower surveillance) and social-media platforms. If they identify even a nonviolent protester who was seen in a restricted zone on January 6, agents will travel across the country to find him and drag him back to Washington for a trial, even if the conduct in question was not only trivial but actually encouraged by police.
The FBI and other agencies are performing this arduous work at the behest of the Biden Justice Department. Prosecutors have made it clear, in light of the obvious political dimensions of the Capitol riot, that they will bring charges the Justice Department ordinarily would never bring, even against first offenders, and even for such misdemeanor crimes as parading and unlawful presence in a prohibited area — precisely the kinds of crimes the Justice Department, under Garland’s guidance, has refused to prosecute in connection with the protests at the justices’ homes.
The protesters were easily identifiable. The demonstrations at the justices’ homes were on television day after day. They were the subject of numerous amateur video recordings, just like the Capitol riot had been. The Justice Department did not need the marshals to make arrests on the spot in order to charge the lawbreakers. No charges were brought because the Biden administration encouraged the protesters’ aims and their illegal methods.
Lacking the courage of his convictions, Attorney General Garland would now have you believe that the United States Marshals Service, the most unlikely of Justice Department agencies, made the call — as if a low-level deputy marshal would have dared make an arrest on the scene when it could not have been made clearer that the Biden administration supported the protests as long as there was no physical violence. That’s a pathetic display of cowardice. It’s not that Garland could not prosecute; it’s that Garland would not prosecute.
@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
The FBI and other agencies are performing this arduous work at the behest of the Biden Justice Department. Prosecutors have made it clear, in light of the obvious political dimensions of the Capitol riot, that they will bring charges the Justice Department ordinarily would never bring, even against first offenders, and even for such misdemeanor crimes as parading and unlawful presence in a prohibited area — precisely the kinds of crimes the Justice Department, under Garland’s guidance, has refused to prosecute in connection with the protests at the justices’ homes.
Thank God this political hack never made it to SCOTUS.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Don’t forget that they can’t catch the guys firebombing Pro-Life Centers because they happen at night and in the dark…
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@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
The FBI and other agencies are performing this arduous work at the behest of the Biden Justice Department. Prosecutors have made it clear, in light of the obvious political dimensions of the Capitol riot, that they will bring charges the Justice Department ordinarily would never bring, even against first offenders, and even for such misdemeanor crimes as parading and unlawful presence in a prohibited area — precisely the kinds of crimes the Justice Department, under Garland’s guidance, has refused to prosecute in connection with the protests at the justices’ homes.
Thank God this political hack never made it to SCOTUS.
@Jolly said in With Guns Drawn:
@George-K said in With Guns Drawn:
The FBI and other agencies are performing this arduous work at the behest of the Biden Justice Department. Prosecutors have made it clear, in light of the obvious political dimensions of the Capitol riot, that they will bring charges the Justice Department ordinarily would never bring, even against first offenders, and even for such misdemeanor crimes as parading and unlawful presence in a prohibited area — precisely the kinds of crimes the Justice Department, under Garland’s guidance, has refused to prosecute in connection with the protests at the justices’ homes.
Thank God this political hack never made it to SCOTUS.
Too bad political hackery is a feature rather than a bug, to the Democrats.
It's of the choicest oblivious tribalism, when typical lefties view the conservative judges as the ones consumed by ideology over constitution. I don't think there are any people in the country more hated by the left, than the "conservative" SCOTUS justices. Of course, "conservative" just means, not completely ideologically captured by leftist pop culture.
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