Atlanta police force should all quit
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@Horace said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
I don't think the hallowed concept of empathy has much of a reasonable place in these discussions. Empathy is great for micro-economic social transactions and near useless for macro economic ones.
Disagree. I have empathy for "the elderly" for example. Wouldn't you consider that a more macro view, if I avoid your curious usage of the word "micro-economic?" How about children, or better, children with terminal illness.
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I mean the flood of emotion one receives upon viewing a terrible occurrence and extrapolating that to some broader social problem who's fix has no negative consequence worth discussing. That is what empathy is doing with our current social discussion about racism in policing. But the negative consequences of our solution will produce terrible occurrences just as empathy-worthy, the only difference being that our empathy will not be triggered because we will see no viral video of them.
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I just saw a video on the news of a 90 year old woman with a walker slowly making her way down a sidewalk. A young black guy is walking toward her. As he gets even with her, he casually flicks his fist into her face, knocking her down and causing the woman to bang her head against a fire hydrant.
I have no empathy for the son of a bitch. Some blacks are figuring it out that they can pretty much get away with anything now. If there had been a cop nearby, I wouldn't blame the cop if he had blown the black kid's brains out on the spot.
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@Larry said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
I just saw a video on the news of a 90 year old woman with a walker slowly making her way down a sidewalk. A young black guy is walking toward her. As he gets even with her, he casually flicks his fist into her face, knocking her down and causing the woman to bang her head against a fire hydrant.
I have no empathy for the son of a bitch. Some blacks are figuring it out that they can pretty much get away with anything now. If there had been a cop nearby, I wouldn't blame the cop if he had blown the black kid's brains out on the spot.
Yeah, you're right.
And this is kinda what Horace was pointing to in another thread, where we discussed the usage of "empathy" and Horace's distinction between individual vs. group.Society sux, overall. People don't appreciate what they have.
And society has way too many empathy-void thugs.
Empathy is a learned trait, or so I've understood.
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@Catseye3 said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
@Mik said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
The man should not have struggled with officers, stealing one of their weapons and trying to use it on them. These guys showed him nothing but respect for 25 minutes, trying very hard to make sure nothing escalated.
That's sure one way of looking at it. We don't know for sure Brooks was "shown nothing but respect". Somebody said that at one point both officers' shoulder cams fell off, and there was a bit in the middle of the scrum where we're not sure what happened.
I keep wondering, Brooks goes from cooperative and going along nicely, and then suddenly grabs the taser and bolts. Why? Maybe his drunk brain rebelled against jail when he was planning to spend the day with his daughter, maybe anything.
I keep wondering how one drunk guy got away from two trained, sober policemen. With one of their weapons, yet.
I think we don't know enough to buy your scenario.
The camera did not fall off until the fight started. If you haven't watched the video, you need to.
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@Rainman said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
When I was young, there was always the chance that the officer would drive you home if not far, or tell you to walk home, or tell you to call a friend to take you home. As a teenager and into my early 20's, I knew a few cops just because somehow, they seemed around more, and got to know the young people in the area. Pete Poulus, Officer Brooks. I still remember a couple of their names.
These days, with zero-tolerance, the cops can't ever be your friend, to be judge and jury on the spot, and show some humanity.
This guy did not deserve to die.
He should have been given a warning, and told that it's on file. The next time he is DUII he will be arrested. That (arrest) would be explained: probably no jail time, but a hefty fine and your insurance will go up, if you're allowed to drive at all. This assures that next time, he won't try to outrun the police, thinking he'd go to jail.
Yeah, there are holes in my argument you could drive a truck through. But there MUST be a better way this all could have been handled differently. He didn't deserve to die, although the way things are, the cop was very close to be justified in shooting him. Lives destroyed, huge costs, only great for lawyers.
Suxor.
It's simple.
Lawyers.
Lawyers have screwed up any discretion cops have. Teachers have. Principals have. Pastors have.
Even the power parents have.
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We should not dismantle police departments, dismantle schools, etc.
What should be dismantled, given all the evidence in front of everyone's noses:
Dismantle the cities. That's where the problems all are, so start moving people out of the CITIES!
...into the fresh air, the countryside, where the view is of nature, and a bit of self sufficiency needs to be acquired. Peaceful, quiet, soothing.Simple. "Where the birds and the buffalo roam."
And no rap music. None allowed. And no twangy country music. NO ACCORDIONS, no explanation necessary. And saxophones, only allowed for mimicking buffalo mating calls. It's all taking form in my mind, I'm certainly on to something here. Oh, no lawyers. That should have been first, sorry. -
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@Loki said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
The troubling piece of this is no one has issued an explanation for why one officer was standing on him and the other kicked him while saying “ I got him”.
Apparently it’s on tape and I haven’t seen it so that might not be accurate.
Accurate. People tend to say or do things when jacked on adrenaline, they might not normally say or do.
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I've looked for the tape, and haven't found it yet.
I do know the cop (who did the shooting) was punched by Brooks, had his head slammed into the pavement by Brooks, and had the taser fired at him by Brooks. And, like Jolly said, had a ridiculous amount of adrenaline now flowing through his system after a life and death struggle. So kicking him and saying "I got him" might be somewhat reasonable if you're in that situation (and not calmly looking at this on the internet, or in an air conditioned court room with hours to think abut what you'd do).
That being said, my guess is he didn't "kick him in the head" and say "I got him!" but more likely pounced onto Brooks immediately with his lower body to subdue him (likely didn't know the gun shots were going to be fatal at that point) and probably communicated to his partner that he shot him (e.g., "I got him" or "I shot him") for his partner's awareness.
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@89th said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
Apologies if someone already said this, but he had a warrant out for his arrest. In addition to being quite drunk, he probably also didn't want those cops realizing he had a warrant out for his arrest.
Warrant, or on probation? If on probation, a DUI would send him directly back to jail, do not pass Go.
