Atlanta police force should all quit
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@Horace said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
@Rainman said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
Larry:
". . . The last time I ever experienced a black man being mistreated by white people because he was black was in high school."Sure, decades ago. But I know for a fact, at least in our district, it has gotten worse.
And the progressives smiled...
The more anti-white the rhetoric, the more issues arise
And the progressives smiled...
Horace, do you really think so, or are you being snarky?
Yes, this is a form of justification and rationalization for progressives, but then this would even further diminish my faith that most progressives want what's best for society.Bummer, maybe it's just all power-seeking, any damn way to justify the ends.
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Yes, I think so. The existence of racism vindicates the meaning of their lives, which is to fight against racism or whatever other cartoonish evil they can imagine. I think it's pretty easy to get to the point where you get a dopamine rush whenever racism is seen and acknowledged. It's the demand side of "the demand for racism exceeds the supply".
I guess there are those who are more calculated about the racism thing - russian trolls among them - who really do ply it with anarchic intentions. And there are others that see it as a road to getting people to vote for the virtuous side which also happens to be the socialist side. But mostly the left is filled with people who find meaning in their fight against evil and for that meaning they need the existence of evil. The more the better.
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When I was young, there was always the chance that the officer would drive you home if not far, or tell you to walk home, or tell you to call a friend to take you home. As a teenager and into my early 20's, I knew a few cops just because somehow, they seemed around more, and got to know the young people in the area. Pete Poulus, Officer Brooks. I still remember a couple of their names.
These days, with zero-tolerance, the cops can't ever be your friend, to be judge and jury on the spot, and show some humanity.
This guy did not deserve to die.
He should have been given a warning, and told that it's on file. The next time he is DUII he will be arrested. That (arrest) would be explained: probably no jail time, but a hefty fine and your insurance will go up, if you're allowed to drive at all. This assures that next time, he won't try to outrun the police, thinking he'd go to jail.
Yeah, there are holes in my argument you could drive a truck through. But there MUST be a better way this all could have been handled differently. He didn't deserve to die, although the way things are, the cop was very close to be justified in shooting him. Lives destroyed, huge costs, only great for lawyers.
Suxor.
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Wasn't it Rudy that forced NY cops to go back to walking a beat, as he brought crime down in the city? That's a good idea. The cops here in Portland are often depicted in their heavy armor. Although necessary, it still send a chilling image.
I must be in a snowflake or liberal mood today. Seriously, some days I see things different than most days. It's either empathy, or stupidity. Not sure which.
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There's this thing people used to refer to.... "taking responsibility for your own actions". White people are still required to do that. Black people no longer have to take responsibility for their actions. If you're black, you can get drunk, drive to a fast food joint, fall asleep in the drive through, and when the cops show up and wake you, and tell you that driving while drunk is illegal so they are going to arrest you, you can launch into a fight or flight mode, and in the process of fighting you can grab a policeman's weapon and then shoot at him with it. That's all perfectly fine. White policemen must allow you to do this. You are not responsible for your actions, the only person who has that obligation is the white cop.
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@Horace said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
I don't think the hallowed concept of empathy has much of a reasonable place in these discussions. Empathy is great for micro-economic social transactions and near useless for macro economic ones.
Disagree. I have empathy for "the elderly" for example. Wouldn't you consider that a more macro view, if I avoid your curious usage of the word "micro-economic?" How about children, or better, children with terminal illness.
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I mean the flood of emotion one receives upon viewing a terrible occurrence and extrapolating that to some broader social problem who's fix has no negative consequence worth discussing. That is what empathy is doing with our current social discussion about racism in policing. But the negative consequences of our solution will produce terrible occurrences just as empathy-worthy, the only difference being that our empathy will not be triggered because we will see no viral video of them.
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I just saw a video on the news of a 90 year old woman with a walker slowly making her way down a sidewalk. A young black guy is walking toward her. As he gets even with her, he casually flicks his fist into her face, knocking her down and causing the woman to bang her head against a fire hydrant.
I have no empathy for the son of a bitch. Some blacks are figuring it out that they can pretty much get away with anything now. If there had been a cop nearby, I wouldn't blame the cop if he had blown the black kid's brains out on the spot.
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@Larry said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
I just saw a video on the news of a 90 year old woman with a walker slowly making her way down a sidewalk. A young black guy is walking toward her. As he gets even with her, he casually flicks his fist into her face, knocking her down and causing the woman to bang her head against a fire hydrant.
I have no empathy for the son of a bitch. Some blacks are figuring it out that they can pretty much get away with anything now. If there had been a cop nearby, I wouldn't blame the cop if he had blown the black kid's brains out on the spot.
Yeah, you're right.
And this is kinda what Horace was pointing to in another thread, where we discussed the usage of "empathy" and Horace's distinction between individual vs. group.Society sux, overall. People don't appreciate what they have.
And society has way too many empathy-void thugs.
Empathy is a learned trait, or so I've understood.
Thuggery 101 - no empathy allowed, don't even think about it. -
@Catseye3 said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
@Mik said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
The man should not have struggled with officers, stealing one of their weapons and trying to use it on them. These guys showed him nothing but respect for 25 minutes, trying very hard to make sure nothing escalated.
That's sure one way of looking at it. We don't know for sure Brooks was "shown nothing but respect". Somebody said that at one point both officers' shoulder cams fell off, and there was a bit in the middle of the scrum where we're not sure what happened.
I keep wondering, Brooks goes from cooperative and going along nicely, and then suddenly grabs the taser and bolts. Why? Maybe his drunk brain rebelled against jail when he was planning to spend the day with his daughter, maybe anything.
I keep wondering how one drunk guy got away from two trained, sober policemen. With one of their weapons, yet.
I think we don't know enough to buy your scenario.
The camera did not fall off until the fight started. If you haven't watched the video, you need to.
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@Rainman said in Atlanta police force should all quit:
When I was young, there was always the chance that the officer would drive you home if not far, or tell you to walk home, or tell you to call a friend to take you home. As a teenager and into my early 20's, I knew a few cops just because somehow, they seemed around more, and got to know the young people in the area. Pete Poulus, Officer Brooks. I still remember a couple of their names.
These days, with zero-tolerance, the cops can't ever be your friend, to be judge and jury on the spot, and show some humanity.
This guy did not deserve to die.
He should have been given a warning, and told that it's on file. The next time he is DUII he will be arrested. That (arrest) would be explained: probably no jail time, but a hefty fine and your insurance will go up, if you're allowed to drive at all. This assures that next time, he won't try to outrun the police, thinking he'd go to jail.
Yeah, there are holes in my argument you could drive a truck through. But there MUST be a better way this all could have been handled differently. He didn't deserve to die, although the way things are, the cop was very close to be justified in shooting him. Lives destroyed, huge costs, only great for lawyers.
Suxor.
It's simple.
Lawyers.
Lawyers have screwed up any discretion cops have. Teachers have. Principals have. Pastors have.
Even the power parents have.
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We should not dismantle police departments, dismantle schools, etc.
What should be dismantled, given all the evidence in front of everyone's noses:
Dismantle the cities. That's where the problems all are, so start moving people out of the CITIES!
...into the fresh air, the countryside, where the view is of nature, and a bit of self sufficiency needs to be acquired. Peaceful, quiet, soothing.Simple. "Where the birds and the buffalo roam."
And no rap music. None allowed. And no twangy country music. NO ACCORDIONS, no explanation necessary. And saxophones, only allowed for mimicking buffalo mating calls. It's all taking form in my mind, I'm certainly on to something here. Oh, no lawyers. That should have been first, sorry.
