She’s gone.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:36 last edited by Catseye3 9 Sept 2022, 16:46
Another regret I have over the Queen's death: Now I'll never be able to ask her why, why, why she hung those awful black purse and shoes on that pretty pink dress.
Sigh.
Always loved her hats, though.
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@Renauda said in She’s gone.:
As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741Thanks, Renauda. Has the government announced yet what the mourning period will be?
A click from that article takes you to "Charles as King: What kind of monarch will he be?" An excerpt:
"It was a question that haunted the new King for decades: Just what kind of monarch would Charles be?
"It's a tricky question, getting to the fundamental role of the one who wears the crown. To what extent could — or should — that individual share opinions? What about involvement in affairs of state? Or politics?
"That has been a perpetual worry with Charles, whose activism as Prince of Wales in areas as diverse as architecture, organic farming and global warming has been seen by some as ahead of its time, but also left many wondering how he would reign.
"As he turned 70 in 2018, Charles addressed the issue head on, telling the BBC he understood he would have to act differently once he became King.
"I'm not that stupid," he said when asked if his public campaigning would continue after he succeeds his mother. "I do realize that it is a separate exercise being sovereign, so of course I understand entirely how that should operate."
Well, that's good, Your Majesty. It's good to realize things.
I'd say more, but I realize
evenCharles knows more about being a monarch than I do.wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:40 last edited byMy understanding is that official mourning will commence at sunset this evening when all flags on government buildings will be lowered to half mast. Today flags remain at top mast in proclamation of Charles III as King.
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An interesting point about the monarch - in theory they have no power, and they're not allowed to vote. However, for the last 70 years the Queen has met privately with the Prime Minister every week, going back to Churchill. That's a whole lot of experience and influence....
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:41 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
That's a whole lot of experience and influence....
That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."
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@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
That's a whole lot of experience and influence....
That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:46 last edited by@Catseye3 said in She’s gone.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
That's a whole lot of experience and influence....
That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."
I think her value might be more in saying 'have you considered....' based on her experience.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
That's a whole lot of experience and influence....
That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:49 last edited byThe Queen normally had a weekly in camera meeting with the Prime Minister. There was no one else in attendance. What was discussed was exclusively between the two of them. No PM has ever divulged publicly what was discussed in these meetings other than in the most general terms.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:51 last edited by
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
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What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:01 last edited by@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:05 last edited by
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@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:06 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Sept 2022, 17:11@Horace said in She’s gone.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?
I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.
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@Horace said in She’s gone.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?
I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:13 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?
I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.
In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:
@Horace said in She’s gone.:
What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.
If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.
They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?
I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.
In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:41 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Sept 2022, 17:41@Horace said in She’s gone.:
In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.
Yeah, but your country is only like 40 years old. We understand the value of decrepitude.
If you don't believe me, look at Joe Biden and Donald Trump!
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:47 last edited by
So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
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So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
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So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 18:01 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:
So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
You'd never make it past all the roundabouts. Years from now, they'd find Americans driving around in circles shouting 'SARGE, SARGE, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO!!!', much like those Japanese soldiers found in the jungle years after the end of WW2.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 18:27 last edited by
@George-K said in She’s gone.:
@LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:
put a true democracy in place…
Like which one?
Probably Nigeria
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So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:12 last edited by Renauda 9 Sept 2022, 19:16@LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:
So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
I sincerely hope you wrote that in jest otherwise
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@LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:
So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
I sincerely hope you wrote that in jest otherwise
it would appear you don’t understand the first thing about parliamentary governance.wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:31 last edited by@Renauda said in She’s gone.:
@LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:
So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…
I sincerely hope you wrote that in jest otherwise
it would appear you don’t understand the first thing about parliamentary governance.It was completely in jest, and I don’t support 100% democracy.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:45 last edited by
I’m real sad. I had much respect for Queen Elizabeth II.
I’ll be watching the news this week, the funeral too.I’m not fond of Charles.
Flags are half mast in many small towns in Central Alberta. Schools, stores, private homes, everywhere. On pump jacks, pad sites, petrochemical plants, all that.. I wonder if RCMP are wearing black arm bands?
Kinda odd, but the upside down freedom flag crowd seem to have taken down their flags for now. None today from where I’m at.
I’m hoping Canada will get a new National Holiday. QEII was special imo.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:58 last edited by
I just heard the funniest exchange ever. I mean I know it was part of the job, but just the same, Her Majesty was very witty.
"I've always kept a diary. Well not a diary exactly—certainly not like Queen Victoria's—but every day I do write, and—"
"But it is in your own hand? Because I think that's terribly important."
"Well there's no other way I know how to write, John, of course it was in my own hand!"Just excellent.
