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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:34 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Sept 2022, 16:34
    #72

    An interesting point about the monarch - in theory they have no power, and they're not allowed to vote. However, for the last 70 years the Queen has met privately with the Prime Minister every week, going back to Churchill. That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

    I was only joking

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      Catseye3
      wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:36 last edited by Catseye3 9 Sept 2022, 16:46
      #73

      Another regret I have over the Queen's death: Now I'll never be able to ask her why, why, why she hung those awful black purse and shoes on that pretty pink dress.

      Sigh.

      Always loved her hats, though.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • C Catseye3
        9 Sept 2022, 16:30

        @Renauda said in She’s gone.:

        As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:
        https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741

        Thanks, Renauda. Has the government announced yet what the mourning period will be?

        A click from that article takes you to "Charles as King: What kind of monarch will he be?" An excerpt:

        "It was a question that haunted the new King for decades: Just what kind of monarch would Charles be?

        "It's a tricky question, getting to the fundamental role of the one who wears the crown. To what extent could — or should — that individual share opinions? What about involvement in affairs of state? Or politics?

        "That has been a perpetual worry with Charles, whose activism as Prince of Wales in areas as diverse as architecture, organic farming and global warming has been seen by some as ahead of its time, but also left many wondering how he would reign.

        "As he turned 70 in 2018, Charles addressed the issue head on, telling the BBC he understood he would have to act differently once he became King.

        "I'm not that stupid," he said when asked if his public campaigning would continue after he succeeds his mother. "I do realize that it is a separate exercise being sovereign, so of course I understand entirely how that should operate."

        Well, that's good, Your Majesty. It's good to realize things.

        I'd say more, but I realize even Charles knows more about being a monarch than I do.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:40 last edited by
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        @Catseye3

        My understanding is that official mourning will commence at sunset this evening when all flags on government buildings will be lowered to half mast. Today flags remain at top mast in proclamation of Charles III as King.

        Elbows up!

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          9 Sept 2022, 16:34

          An interesting point about the monarch - in theory they have no power, and they're not allowed to vote. However, for the last 70 years the Queen has met privately with the Prime Minister every week, going back to Churchill. That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

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          Catseye3
          wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:41 last edited by
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          @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

          That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

          That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • C Catseye3
            9 Sept 2022, 16:41

            @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

            That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

            That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:46 last edited by
            #76

            @Catseye3 said in She’s gone.:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

            That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

            That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

            I think her value might be more in saying 'have you considered....' based on her experience.

            I was only joking

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            • C Catseye3
              9 Sept 2022, 16:41

              @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

              That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

              That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

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              Renauda
              wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:49 last edited by
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              @Catseye3

              The Queen normally had a weekly in camera meeting with the Prime Minister. There was no one else in attendance. What was discussed was exclusively between the two of them. No PM has ever divulged publicly what was discussed in these meetings other than in the most general terms.

              Elbows up!

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                Horace
                wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 16:51 last edited by
                #78

                What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • H Horace
                  9 Sept 2022, 16:51

                  What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:01 last edited by
                  #79

                  @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                  What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                  If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                  I was only joking

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                    George K
                    wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:05 last edited by
                    #80

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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • D Doctor Phibes
                      9 Sept 2022, 17:01

                      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                      What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                      If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:06 last edited by
                      #81

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                      What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                      If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                      They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • H Horace
                        9 Sept 2022, 17:06

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                        @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                        What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                        If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                        They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Sept 2022, 17:11
                        #82

                        @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                        @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                        What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                        If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                        They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                        I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

                        I was only joking

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          9 Sept 2022, 17:11

                          @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                          @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                          What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                          If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                          They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                          I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:13 last edited by
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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                          @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                          @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                          What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                          If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                          They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                          I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

                          In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • H Horace
                            9 Sept 2022, 17:13

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                            @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                            @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                            What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                            If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                            They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                            I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

                            In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:41 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Sept 2022, 17:41
                            #84

                            @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                            In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.

                            Yeah, but your country is only like 40 years old. We understand the value of decrepitude.

                            If you don't believe me, look at Joe Biden and Donald Trump!

                            I was only joking

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:47 last edited by
                              #85

                              So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

                              The Brad

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                              • L LuFins Dad
                                9 Sept 2022, 17:47

                                So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

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                                George K
                                wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 17:50 last edited by
                                #86

                                @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                put a true democracy in place…

                                Like which one?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • L LuFins Dad
                                  9 Sept 2022, 17:47

                                  So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 18:01 last edited by
                                  #87

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                  So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

                                  You'd never make it past all the roundabouts. Years from now, they'd find Americans driving around in circles shouting 'SARGE, SARGE, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO!!!', much like those Japanese soldiers found in the jungle years after the end of WW2.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • G George K
                                    9 Sept 2022, 17:50

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                    put a true democracy in place…

                                    Like which one?

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 18:27 last edited by
                                    #88

                                    @George-K said in She’s gone.:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                    put a true democracy in place…

                                    Like which one?

                                    Probably Nigeria

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                                    • L LuFins Dad
                                      9 Sept 2022, 17:47

                                      So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:12 last edited by Renauda 9 Sept 2022, 19:16
                                      #89

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                      So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

                                      I sincerely hope you wrote that in jest otherwise
                                      it would appear you don’t understand the first thing about parliamentary governance.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • R Renauda
                                        9 Sept 2022, 19:12

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                        So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

                                        I sincerely hope you wrote that in jest otherwise
                                        it would appear you don’t understand the first thing about parliamentary governance.

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:31 last edited by
                                        #90

                                        @Renauda said in She’s gone.:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                        So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

                                        I sincerely hope you wrote that in jest otherwise
                                        it would appear you don’t understand the first thing about parliamentary governance.

                                        It was completely in jest, and I don’t support 100% democracy.

                                        The Brad

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                                          blondie
                                          wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:45 last edited by
                                          #91

                                          I’m real sad. I had much respect for Queen Elizabeth II.
                                          I’ll be watching the news this week, the funeral too.

                                          I’m not fond of Charles.

                                          Flags are half mast in many small towns in Central Alberta. Schools, stores, private homes, everywhere. On pump jacks, pad sites, petrochemical plants, all that.. I wonder if RCMP are wearing black arm bands?

                                          Kinda odd, but the upside down freedom flag crowd seem to have taken down their flags for now. None today from where I’m at.

                                          I’m hoping Canada will get a new National Holiday. QEII was special imo.

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