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89th

@89th said in She’s gone.:

politically correct, woke, anti-rich,

We'd better hope pro-rich survives.

Well unfortunately I think there's a false narrative out there that if someone gets rich, another person gets poor. It's not zero sum. That being said, it's not like the monarchy worked for their money the way Bezos, or Musk, or Aqua at the bike shop have.

Horace

@89th said in She’s gone.:

@Catseye3 said in She’s gone.:

@89th said in She’s gone.:

politically correct, woke, anti-rich,

We'd better hope pro-rich survives.

Well unfortunately I think there's a false narrative out there that if someone gets rich, another person gets poor. It's not zero sum. That being said, it's not like the monarchy worked for their money the way Bezos, or Musk, or Aqua at the bike shop have.

In terms of social status, it's zero sum. Relative position on the hierarchy is zero sum, unless one can successfully convince two different people that they are both superior to each other. Toys and food and shelter, though, are definitely not zero sum.

Doctor Phibes

@89th said in She’s gone.:

That being said, it's not like the monarchy worked for their money the way Bezos, or Musk, or Aqua at the bike shop have.

You think Bezos and Musk made their money because of how hard they worked?

They're mostly rich for the same reason that Charles is rich - luck. Also, his ancestors were really good at fighting. Mike Tyson's great-grandson will probably be King of America. There's a gazillion people like Bezos and Musk out there who didn't get lucky, but worked just as hard.

Mik

Certainly luck had a part in their success, but not the major part. these guys came up with good ideas and made them happen. That never happens without a whole lot of hard work.

Horace

Hard workers are literally a dime a dozen. Maybe not literally but close. They are rich because they had good ideas about how to make money in the free market. Maybe some courage or willingness to take calculated risks. But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

Doctor Phibes

Smart, brave and lucky. Not necessarily in that order.

Obviously, they wouldn't have made money without the entrepreneurial spirit, but they also wouldn't have made it without the luck of being in the right place at the right time.

If Bill Gates had sold the copyright for DOS to IBM, it's possible that nobody would have heard of him today. In retrospect what he did was a really smart decision, but he was also amazingly lucky.

Doctor Phibes

@Horace said in She’s gone.:

But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

You could say the same about the British monarchy.

Horace

@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

@Horace said in She’s gone.:

But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

You could say the same about the British monarchy.

I guess if you were unconcerned about making sense, you could say that.

Doctor Phibes

@Horace said in She’s gone.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

@Horace said in She’s gone.:

But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

You could say the same about the British monarchy.

I guess if you were unconcerned about making sense, you could say that.

The Queen's success was based on her overwhelming popularity. That didn't just happen.

And they're not rich because of the money they get as the monarchy.

Renauda

As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741

At the local level in Alberta:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/queen-elizabeth-alberta-legislature-1.6576911

I suspect similar protocols and procedures are also initiated in Australia and New Zealand.

Copper

Equity means everyone is just as smart as everyone else.

And everyone works just as hard as everyone else.

And everyone should have the same rewards and electric vehicles as everyone else.

You haters will never understand.

Catseye3

@Renauda said in She’s gone.:

As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741

Thanks, Renauda. Has the government announced yet what the mourning period will be?

A click from that article takes you to "Charles as King: What kind of monarch will he be?" An excerpt:

"It was a question that haunted the new King for decades: Just what kind of monarch would Charles be?

"It's a tricky question, getting to the fundamental role of the one who wears the crown. To what extent could — or should — that individual share opinions? What about involvement in affairs of state? Or politics?

"That has been a perpetual worry with Charles, whose activism as Prince of Wales in areas as diverse as architecture, organic farming and global warming has been seen by some as ahead of its time, but also left many wondering how he would reign.

"As he turned 70 in 2018, Charles addressed the issue head on, telling the BBC he understood he would have to act differently once he became King.

"I'm not that stupid," he said when asked if his public campaigning would continue after he succeeds his mother. "I do realize that it is a separate exercise being sovereign, so of course I understand entirely how that should operate."

Well, that's good, Your Majesty. It's good to realize things.

I'd say more, but I realize ~~even~~ Charles knows more about being a monarch than I do.

Doctor Phibes

An interesting point about the monarch - in theory they have no power, and they're not allowed to vote. However, for the last 70 years the Queen has met privately with the Prime Minister every week, going back to Churchill. That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

Catseye3

Another regret I have over the Queen's death: Now I'll never be able to ask her why, why, why she hung those awful black purse and shoes on that pretty pink dress.

Sigh.

Always loved her hats, though.

Renauda

@Catseye3

My understanding is that official mourning will commence at sunset this evening when all flags on government buildings will be lowered to half mast. Today flags remain at top mast in proclamation of Charles III as King.

Catseye3

@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

Doctor Phibes

@Catseye3 said in She’s gone.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

I think her value might be more in saying 'have you considered....' based on her experience.

Renauda

@Catseye3

The Queen normally had a weekly in camera meeting with the Prime Minister. There was no one else in attendance. What was discussed was exclusively between the two of them. No PM has ever divulged publicly what was discussed in these meetings other than in the most general terms.

Horace

What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

Doctor Phibes

@Horace said in She’s gone.:

What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

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