Trump sues to block Bolton book
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@jon-nyc said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
I’m a little curious, let’s take this quote from the BBC list:
The US president "stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming US presidential election [in 2020], alluding to China's economic capability and pleading with Xi to ensure he'd win," Mr Bolton writes.
"He stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome."You think that’s out of character for Trump? I mean, if you saw a taped recording of that, how shocked would you be?
Yeah I would like to see what was actually said. It would be stunning given how much Trump has blamed China for Coronavirus. China should drop the mike on Trump if they had Kompromat. Why not?
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@jon-nyc said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
Don’t forget how much he was praising Xi as recently as late Feb. Bolton’s writing about 2018-19.
Anyway interesting to see where your thoughts are on this.
Trump slammed China worse than Bolton. I guess we will just have to wait for Xi’s book. I mean face saving is so important for the Chinese, Trump is rubbing their nose in do do.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
@Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
I would never defend Trump to the ends of the earth.
Indeed you normally don’t, which is why I thought it curious you were so quick to call Bolton a liar.
Actually I was taking on Bolton irrespective of Trump. I find his behavior so despicable I want It to be addressed in its own right.
I think Trump lies early and often. I honestly can’t tell if Bolton told a narrative with some truths to exact his revenge in a disingenuous way. Nevertheless I am confident he hurt himself more than Trump.
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@xenon said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
The rationale is always “look at actions, not words”. Bolton’s stuff is all words. Nothing particularly revealing.
The one time when Bolton could have leveraged his words into the most action, i.e. during the impeachment proceedings, he hesitated and missed the window.
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I would have thought that the biggest security concern about Bolton's claims are that, if true, they would indicate that an imbecile is running the country.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
I would have thought that the biggest security concern about Bolton's claims are that, if true, they would indicate that an imbecile is running the country.
The problem with that is that you start off on a false assumption, which causes you to arrive at a conclusion that's 180 out of phase with the truth. Bolton's claims are not true, and Trump is running a country with a lot of embeciles in it.
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@Larry said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
I would have thought that the biggest security concern about Bolton's claims are that, if true, they would indicate that an imbecile is running the country.
The problem with that is that you start off on a false assumption, which causes you to arrive at a conclusion that's 180 out of phase with the truth. Bolton's claims are not true, and Trump is running a country with a lot of embeciles in it.
I didn't start off assuming anything, that's why I wrote 'If true'. Some will say that historically Bolton has been more trustworthy than Trump, some clearly now think otherwise.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
@Larry said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
I would have thought that the biggest security concern about Bolton's claims are that, if true, they would indicate that an imbecile is running the country.
The problem with that is that you start off on a false assumption, which causes you to arrive at a conclusion that's 180 out of phase with the truth. Bolton's claims are not true, and Trump is running a country with a lot of embeciles in it.
I didn't start off assuming anything, that's why I wrote 'If true'. Some will say that historically Bolton has been more trustworthy than Trump, some clearly now think otherwise.
"If true" is the current trendy way of injecting bare assed lies into an issue and then claiming innocence when one gets called out for it. You don't get to hide behind an "If true" card with me.
A fellow named Larry Sinclair wrote a book detailing his homosexual encounter with Obama, and how they smoked crack together in the back of a limo while giving each other blow jobs. IF TRUE, a formal investigation into his untimely and suspicious death would be warranted. Several people have come forward over the years stating that Michelle Obama is a man. IF TRUE, that would lend credibility to Sinclair's claim that Obama is a cocksucker.
See how it works? Saying "If true" does not negate the fact that you built a complete narrative and conclusion around a false assumption.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
I would have thought that the biggest security concern about Bolton's claims are that, if true, they would indicate that an imbecile is running the country.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:
I would have thought that the biggest security concern about Bolton's claims are that, if true, they would indicate that an imbecile is running the country.
Too funny, but in a sad way, true.See what happens when false assumptions get stated as fact while hiding behind the "If true" get out of jail card?
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Calm down, Larry. I said 'If true' because it's a qualifier. You've come to the immediate and presumably irrevocable conclusion that everything Bolton says is a pack of lies. I genuinely don't know. I'd quite like to see some evidence, one way or the other. And by evidence, I don't mean 'he said, she said'.
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@Doctor-Phibes Good point.
@Larry I think at some later point, we will have a better idea who is telling more of the truth, but at this time, for you to say that "everything Mr. Bolton says is a lie, and everything President Trump says is the truth" is not correct either. Nobody on this forum board was there and has nor more knowledge than anybody else in this matter.Personally, I do believe that the majority of things reported in the book are probably based in fact. You can say that I have TDS, but I think that you probably have a bit of it also - Trump Deification Syndrom. LOL
I am joking Larry, and I do respect your opinion and thoughts. Some I agree with, some I dont, but you always make me think!! Thanks!!!
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This is like trying to herd cats.....
I never said everything Trump says is true. I said you cannot state that everything Bolton says is true as if it were fact, and then pull a get out of jail card by saying "IF this is true". You're trying to accuse me of the very this g you're doing yourselves.
Let's examine the 10 main points in his book the BBC mentioned
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Trump wanted help from China to win re-election
I spent my entire life as a businessman and a salesman. Trump is a businessman and a salesman. In a negotiation, what Trump is being accused of here is nothing more than a half joking comment made during negotiations that I can see ANY salesman using. Bolton is not a businessman or a salesman. He's being a Karen. He couldn't negotiate for a free stick of chewing gum. If he had any integrity he would have resigned on the spot. But he didn't- he kept on drawing his big government check, enjoying his position of power, and writing down every single insignificant comment Trump made so he could use it later should he find himself out of a job. What absolutely amazes me is that in a room full of adults this needs explaining in the first place. Trump did not seriously ask the Chinese to help him win reelection. That is stupid on it's face. He had his foot on their neck, and you think they didn't play this card against him???? Jesus H. Christ. -
... and said building internment camps was the 'right thing to do'
You honestly believe that Trump said that and the Chinese didn't use it to their advantage???????
BWAHAAAAAHAHAHAAAAA
Screw it. The other 8 things are just as silly, but if you guys can't figure this out on your own I'm not spending an hour trying to explain this to you.
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