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  • L Loki
    18 Jun 2020, 11:29

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

    If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

    I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

    I think you just spoke for yourself.

    Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

    This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 12:19 last edited by
    #51

    @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

    If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

    I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

    I think you just spoke for yourself.

    Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

    This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

    It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

    I was only joking

    J L 2 Replies Last reply 18 Jun 2020, 12:49
    • D Doctor Phibes
      18 Jun 2020, 12:19

      @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

      If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

      I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

      I think you just spoke for yourself.

      Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

      This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

      It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 12:49 last edited by
      #52

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

      @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

      If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

      I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

      I think you just spoke for yourself.

      Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

      This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

      It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

      Uh, no. And I mean that.

      As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • D Doctor Phibes
        18 Jun 2020, 12:19

        @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

        If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

        I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

        I think you just spoke for yourself.

        Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

        This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

        It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

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        Larry
        wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:22 last edited by
        #53

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

        @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

        If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

        I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

        I think you just spoke for yourself.

        Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

        This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

        It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

        Forget the people and look at the ideology. They are polar opposites. If the leadership of the Republican party started pulling us in the direction of extremist views on the right, most all republicans would refuse to go along with it. That's because the Right is by and large committed to a set of values. Politics or ideology must conform to those standards. The Left on the other hand are committed to an ideology. Their values shift depending on which direction the ideology takes. We are watching it happen as I speak. The Democrat Party is dead. All that remains of it is the name and the political machinery. It is now used as an umbrella tag covering dozens upon dozens of little special interest groups, and bound loosely together by a religion called Progressivism. The Left has no values, no principles. Those are supplied by the ideology, determined by the saints and apostles of the religion of Progressivism.

        You're correct that the average Joe is as a person, pretty much the same regardless of political party. That ends once that I individual has to confront his ideological self. Then they become completely different animals.

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        • J jon-nyc
          18 Jun 2020, 03:43

          @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

          Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

          Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

          You can’t make this up.

          I never complained about his honesty rather his extreme hawkish to the point of trigger-happy foreign policy views. Trump came around to my view eventually.

          But to your question, who do you think is more trustworthy in his assessment of the conversations covered in the book, Trump or Bolton?

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:42 last edited by
          #54

          @jon-nyc said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

          @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

          Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

          Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

          You can’t make this up.

          I never complained about his honesty rather his extreme hawkish to the point of trigger-happy foreign policy views. Trump came around to my view eventually.

          But to your question, who do you think is more trustworthy in his assessment of the conversations covered in the book, Trump or Bolton?

          Bump for Loki.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • J Jolly
            18 Jun 2020, 12:49

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

            @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

            If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

            I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

            I think you just spoke for yourself.

            Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

            This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

            It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

            Uh, no. And I mean that.

            As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 13:57 last edited by
            #55

            @Jolly said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

            @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

            If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

            I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

            I think you just spoke for yourself.

            Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

            This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

            It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

            Uh, no. And I mean that.

            As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

            Have you been reading Trump's Tweets?

            I was only joking

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 14:01 last edited by
              #56

              In fairness, Jolly conceded the point about the wackos.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • D Doctor Phibes
                18 Jun 2020, 13:57

                @Jolly said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                I think you just spoke for yourself.

                Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                Uh, no. And I mean that.

                As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

                Have you been reading Trump's Tweets?

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                Jolly
                wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 14:15 last edited by
                #57

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                @Jolly said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                I think you just spoke for yourself.

                Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                Uh, no. And I mean that.

                As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

                Have you been reading Trump's Tweets?

                Never look at what a politician says, look at what he does.

                Even his wife tells Trump he needs to back away from Twitterland.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 15:36 last edited by
                  #58

                  It should be expected that people will self-select into their political affiliation based on real differences. If real differences exist, no matter how minor, the split between the platforms of the two parties will gravitate towards those differences. The left being the side for movement and change, requires more social persuasion than the right, and that persuasion ends up being various shades of outright coercion rather than mere persuasion. I.e. enforced group-think, which we've been seeing all around us. Always using the good vs evil framing of every issue, with the understanding that evil people won't have an easy time of it in this life, socially or economically.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 16:00 last edited by
                    #59

                    For most normal/sane people, there's a spectrum of political thought, not just an A/B choice, and then defend party to the death.

                    We need more choices.

                    I was only joking

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 16:03 last edited by
                      #60

                      I think the Democratic party has some life left in it simply based on the fact that they put Joe Biden up rather than someone far more left. But it keeps moving further leftward all the time.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 16:05 last edited by
                        #61

                        Much of that alleged black and white thinking is imposed on others unfairly. Many of us have difficulty distinguishing voting for the other side, from agreeing with everything and everybody on that side. Again that comes back to which sides requires more coerced group-think to keep itself coherent, and I think that's the left.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 16:06 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                          #62

                          Anyway, getting back to Bolton's book, the Failing BBC is reporting 10 claims...

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

                          Those of you who are triggered by anti-Trump sentiment probably shouldn't click on the link.

                          I was only joking

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                          • M Mik
                            18 Jun 2020, 16:03

                            I think the Democratic party has some life left in it simply based on the fact that they put Joe Biden up rather than someone far more left. But it keeps moving further leftward all the time.

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                            Larry
                            wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 18:41 last edited by
                            #63

                            @Mik said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                            I think the Democratic party has some life left in it simply based on the fact that they put Joe Biden up rather than someone far more left. But it keeps moving further leftward all the time.

                            The reason they stood Biden up is because he wants to go down in history as a president, and being aware that he's not capable of it, he will be more than happy to do photo ops and regurgitate what he's told to say and let those running the party make the decisions.

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                            • J jon-nyc
                              18 Jun 2020, 03:43

                              @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

                              Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

                              You can’t make this up.

                              I never complained about his honesty rather his extreme hawkish to the point of trigger-happy foreign policy views. Trump came around to my view eventually.

                              But to your question, who do you think is more trustworthy in his assessment of the conversations covered in the book, Trump or Bolton?

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 19:19 last edited by
                              #64

                              @jon-nyc said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

                              Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

                              You can’t make this up.

                              I never complained about his honesty rather his extreme hawkish to the point of trigger-happy foreign policy views. Trump came around to my view eventually.

                              But to your question, who do you think is more trustworthy in his assessment of the conversations covered in the book, Trump or Bolton?

                              @jon-nyc I agree with you. I never like John Bolton, and did not like his attitude, his policies, and how he handled things. But, I do think he probably is telling most of the truth in what he re-says in teh book.

                              Does that not worry anybody that the US president is like this?

                              President Trump: UK is a nuclear power??? 🙄
                              President Trump: Is Finland part of Russia??? 🙄

                              Ouch!!!

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                              • D Doctor Phibes
                                18 Jun 2020, 16:06

                                Anyway, getting back to Bolton's book, the Failing BBC is reporting 10 claims...

                                https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

                                Those of you who are triggered by anti-Trump sentiment probably shouldn't click on the link.

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                                Larry
                                wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 19:20 last edited by
                                #65

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                Anyway, getting back to Bolton's book, the Failing BBC is reporting 10 claims...

                                https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

                                Those of you who are triggered by anti-Trump sentiment probably shouldn't click on the link.

                                I read it. If that's what Boltons book is claiming, then Bolton is going to look like a stone cold fool.

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                                • L Larry
                                  18 Jun 2020, 19:20

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  Anyway, getting back to Bolton's book, the Failing BBC is reporting 10 claims...

                                  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

                                  Those of you who are triggered by anti-Trump sentiment probably shouldn't click on the link.

                                  I read it. If that's what Boltons book is claiming, then Bolton is going to look like a stone cold fool.

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 19:21 last edited by
                                  #66

                                  @Larry said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  Anyway, getting back to Bolton's book, the Failing BBC is reporting 10 claims...

                                  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

                                  Those of you who are triggered by anti-Trump sentiment probably shouldn't click on the link.

                                  I read it. If that's what Boltons book is claiming, then Bolton is going to look like a stone cold fool.

                                  Why?

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                                  • L Larry
                                    18 Jun 2020, 18:41

                                    @Mik said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                    I think the Democratic party has some life left in it simply based on the fact that they put Joe Biden up rather than someone far more left. But it keeps moving further leftward all the time.

                                    The reason they stood Biden up is because he wants to go down in history as a president, and being aware that he's not capable of it, he will be more than happy to do photo ops and regurgitate what he's told to say and let those running the party make the decisions.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 19:23 last edited by
                                    #67

                                    @Larry said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                    @Mik said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                    I think the Democratic party has some life left in it simply based on the fact that they put Joe Biden up rather than someone far more left. But it keeps moving further leftward all the time.

                                    The reason they stood Biden up is because he wants to go down in history as a president, and being aware that he's not capable of it, he will be more than happy to do photo ops and regurgitate what he's told to say and let those running the party make the decisions.

                                    Pay very close attention to who Biden picks as his running mate. If Biden is elected, the VP will become the first unelected President since Ford.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • T taiwan_girl
                                      18 Jun 2020, 19:21

                                      @Larry said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                      Anyway, getting back to Bolton's book, the Failing BBC is reporting 10 claims...

                                      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

                                      Those of you who are triggered by anti-Trump sentiment probably shouldn't click on the link.

                                      I read it. If that's what Boltons book is claiming, then Bolton is going to look like a stone cold fool.

                                      Why?

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                                      Larry
                                      wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 19:28 last edited by
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                                      @taiwan_girl said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                      @Larry said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                      Anyway, getting back to Bolton's book, the Failing BBC is reporting 10 claims...

                                      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53089609

                                      Those of you who are triggered by anti-Trump sentiment probably shouldn't click on the link.

                                      I read it. If that's what Boltons book is claiming, then Bolton is going to look like a stone cold fool.

                                      Why?

                                      Because not a word of it is true.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 20:33 last edited by
                                        #69

                                        I wonder if Lin Manuel Miranda will sue Bolton for the title. It is very clearly playing off the song from Hamilton 'The Room Where it Happens', but the lyric is the room where it happened.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Loki
                                          wrote on 19 Jun 2020, 02:54 last edited by
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                                          How about that. Nobody likes a loser. Some things can’t be unseen Bolton. You fvcked your legacy.

                                          https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/18/everybody-hates-john-bolton-328921

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