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Why Trump has a lawyer problem

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
    #1

    We talked about some of the reasons he has getting good lawyers. Here’s another, from a Ken White piece a couple of years ago.

    Trump prizes “loyalty” very highly, as many powerful people do. But real loyalty from an attorney doesn’t involve fawning over a client, refraining from criticism, or congratulating them for views both right and wrong. A good lawyer’s loyalty lies in being ready to give plain-spoken advice that will get you fired if your client’s in the wrong mood. An effective advocate’s loyalty isn’t about saying “Good idea” or “You’re right,” it’s about warning “Shut up” and “No, you shouldn’t do that” and “Yes, I understand you want to do that, but here’s why it’s a terrible idea.” Real loyalty looks like Cordelia, refusing to flatter King Lear at great cost, not like her sisters, praising him effusively to get more land.

    This was written even before the election, where he so visibly and disastrously chose lawyers based on who would tell him what he most wanted to hear.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • Catseye3C Offline
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      Catseye3
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      #2

      True, but there is also the possibility that some lawyers strategically mixed false praise in with the real stuff as a means of keeping Trump's rump in the chair. He's known to get up and leave the room if he's bored or annoyed.

      Of course, he is also known to remain seated, listen to what you have to say, and then do what he wants anyway, even if it's the opposite of what you advise.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        Never mind his dreadful, selfish, narcissistic personality and his childish, boorish behaviour. Just look at all the good he's done! America is so much better off than it was in 2016!

        I was only joking

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        • 89th8 Online
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          89th
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          #4

          I know lawyers are pretty much exempt, but the number of dead bodies bodies in jail in Trump's wake certainly isn't encouraging.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            Never mind his dreadful, selfish, narcissistic personality and his childish, boorish behaviour. Just look at all the good he's done! America is so much better off than it was in 2016!

            CopperC Offline
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            Copper
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            #5

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

            Never mind his dreadful, selfish, narcissistic personality and his childish, boorish behaviour. Just look at all the good he's done! America is so much better off than it was in 2016!

            We used to have electricity and oil.

            I like electricity and oil.

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            • CopperC Copper

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

              Never mind his dreadful, selfish, narcissistic personality and his childish, boorish behaviour. Just look at all the good he's done! America is so much better off than it was in 2016!

              We used to have electricity and oil.

              I like electricity and oil.

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              @Copper said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

              Never mind his dreadful, selfish, narcissistic personality and his childish, boorish behaviour. Just look at all the good he's done! America is so much better off than it was in 2016!

              We used to have electricity and oil.

              I like electricity and oil.

              We had it in 2016, too. Trump didn't invent the bloody stuff.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @Copper said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

                Never mind his dreadful, selfish, narcissistic personality and his childish, boorish behaviour. Just look at all the good he's done! America is so much better off than it was in 2016!

                We used to have electricity and oil.

                I like electricity and oil.

                We had it in 2016, too. Trump didn't invent the bloody stuff.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #7

                @Doctor-Phibes

                Nor does electricity and oil have anything to do with Trump’s lawyer problems.

                Elbows up!

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  #8

                  Oil and electricity problems make lawyer problems seem trivial.

                  Mr. Bush invented the bloody stuff, I'm sure we all miss him now.

                  Mr. Trump didn't invent the bloody stuff, but he didn't throw it away either. I'm sure we all miss him now.

                  Is America better off than in 2016? It was for a while. The geniuses in the whitehouse really hate this country and are doing an effective job of destroying it.

                  I must admit we have made great strides with skin color diversity. And we all embrace men wearing skirts, so there is some progress.

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
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                    #9

                    Yes of course, you’re probably right.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      Oil and electricity problems make lawyer problems seem trivial.

                      Mr. Bush invented the bloody stuff, I'm sure we all miss him now.

                      Mr. Trump didn't invent the bloody stuff, but he didn't throw it away either. I'm sure we all miss him now.

                      Is America better off than in 2016? It was for a while. The geniuses in the whitehouse really hate this country and are doing an effective job of destroying it.

                      I must admit we have made great strides with skin color diversity. And we all embrace men wearing skirts, so there is some progress.

                      Catseye3C Offline
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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @Copper said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

                      I'm sure we all miss him now.

                      No, but I would if only he would go away.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                        @Copper said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

                        I'm sure we all miss him now.

                        No, but I would if only he would go away.

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        @Catseye3

                        That calls for a musical interlude:

                        Link to video

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by Mik
                          #12

                          Perfect. And a nice stroll down memory lane.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            Oil and electricity problems make lawyer problems seem trivial.

                            Mr. Bush invented the bloody stuff, I'm sure we all miss him now.

                            Mr. Trump didn't invent the bloody stuff, but he didn't throw it away either. I'm sure we all miss him now.

                            Is America better off than in 2016? It was for a while. The geniuses in the whitehouse really hate this country and are doing an effective job of destroying it.

                            I must admit we have made great strides with skin color diversity. And we all embrace men wearing skirts, so there is some progress.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            @Copper said in Why Trump has a lawyer problem:

                            Oil and electricity problems make lawyer problems seem trivial.

                            Mr. Bush invented the bloody stuff, I'm sure we all miss him now.

                            Mr. Trump didn't invent the bloody stuff, but he didn't throw it away either. I'm sure we all miss him now.

                            Is America better off than in 2016? It was for a while. The geniuses in the whitehouse really hate this country and are doing an effective job of destroying it.

                            I must admit we have made great strides with skin color diversity. And we all embrace men wearing skirts, so there is some progress.

                            I just think it's beneficial for Trump to be reelected in 2024.

                            It will give the muttering and nattering class something to talk about. In their dotage.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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