Student loan cancellation
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 08:41 last edited by
@Horace said in Student loan cancellation:
Imagine if Trump subverted Congress for some dictatorial conservative policy.
We don’t need to imagine, remembering is sufficient. He got stopped by the courts when he tried to divert defense budget to building his wall.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 11:54 last edited by
Yep.
Wish we had that wall right now...
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 12:05 last edited by
@Jolly said in Student loan cancellation:
Yep.
Wish we had that wall right now...
Had Trump convinced Mexico to pay for it like he promised, he wouldn’t have needed to attempt to divert funds from the defense budget, and the court would not have needed to block him on that ground.
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@Jolly said in Student loan cancellation:
Yep.
Wish we had that wall right now...
Had Trump convinced Mexico to pay for it like he promised, he wouldn’t have needed to attempt to divert funds from the defense budget, and the court would not have needed to block him on that ground.
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 12:24 last edited by@Axtremus said in Student loan cancellation:
@Jolly said in Student loan cancellation:
Yep.
Wish we had that wall right now...
Had Trump convinced Mexico to pay for it like he promised, he wouldn’t have needed to attempt to divert funds from the defense budget, and the court would not have needed to block him on that ground.
With Mexico suffering under the onslaught of Californians moving there to escape high prices, along with a huge migration of Central Americans through their country - something they aren't entirely happy with - they might be willing to chip in a few pesos.
Like many things Trump, the major opposition to his policies was because Trump. Now, we currently have over two million illegals in this country, thanks to your hero, The Resident. And more coming every day.
Let's kick the less fortunate among us in the economic teeth, in order to achieve political power.We can have unfettered illegal immigration, creating a surplus of unskilled workers willing to work for peanuts. And in the process, taking jobs away from citizens. Creating a lack of opportunity and assuring a continuity of dependence on the government dole.
Which, regardless of The Resident's blather, is part of what is needed to keep his party in power. And a knowledge that they'll have those anchor baby votes eventually.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 13:23 last edited by
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 13:40 last edited by Axtremus
Would it be too inconceivable to think that perhaps Prof. Tribe may have many former students outside of Harvard Law School, or that some of his Harvard Law School students may have chosen to go into public service (e.g., public defenders) or non-profit pursuits (e.g., charitable organizations, community organizing) and do not make much money?
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 13:45 last edited by
Even Biden knows he can’t do this…
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Would it be too inconceivable to think that perhaps Prof. Tribe may have many former students outside of Harvard Law School, or that some of his Harvard Law School students may have chosen to go into public service (e.g., public defenders) or non-profit pursuits (e.g., charitable organizations, community organizing) and do not make much money?
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 13:46 last edited by@Axtremus said in Student loan cancellation:
or that some of his Harvard Law School students may have chosen to go into public service (e.g., public defenders) or non-profit pursuits (e.g., charitable organizations, community organizing) and do not make much money?
You mean they made a strategic choice in life regarding how much money they are fine with making while having debt to pay off?
This move does nothing to address the cost of college, is unfair to many, many students, and gave the GOP a very easy layup during debates in 2022 and 2024.
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@Axtremus said in Student loan cancellation:
or that some of his Harvard Law School students may have chosen to go into public service (e.g., public defenders) or non-profit pursuits (e.g., charitable organizations, community organizing) and do not make much money?
You mean they made a strategic choice in life regarding how much money they are fine with making while having debt to pay off?
This move does nothing to address the cost of college, is unfair to many, many students, and gave the GOP a very easy layup during debates in 2022 and 2024.
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 13:50 last edited by Axtremus@89th said in Student loan cancellation:
This move does nothing to address the cost of college, …
Yeah, Liz and Bernie have some ideas there that Joe and Kyrsten and the entire GOP are not too enthused about.
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@89th said in Student loan cancellation:
This move does nothing to address the cost of college, …
Yeah, Liz and Bernie have some ideas there that Joe and Kyrsten and the entire GOP are not too enthused about.
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 13:54 last edited by@Axtremus said in Student loan cancellation:
@89th said in Student loan cancellation:
This move does nothing to address the cost of college, …
Yeah, Liz and Bernie have some ideas there that Joe and Kristen and the entire GOP are not too enthused about.
I bet those ideas do not contain any kernel of truth regarding the uselessness of most degrees and that the fix is not to make them more affordable but rather to stop encouraging their pursuit.
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@Axtremus said in Student loan cancellation:
or that some of his Harvard Law School students may have chosen to go into public service (e.g., public defenders) or non-profit pursuits (e.g., charitable organizations, community organizing) and do not make much money?
You mean they made a strategic choice in life regarding how much money they are fine with making while having debt to pay off?
This move does nothing to address the cost of college, is unfair to many, many students, and gave the GOP a very easy layup during debates in 2022 and 2024.
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:00 last edited by@89th said in Student loan cancellation:
You mean they made a strategic choice in life regarding how much money they are fine with making while having debt to pay off?
Yeah, a lot like how some politicians keep making a strategic choice to cut government tax revenues while the the government still having debt to pay off.
Some may indeed be opportunistic, some see public/charitable service as a calling with “low pay” merely an unfortunate side effect of answering the call.
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@Axtremus said in Student loan cancellation:
@89th said in Student loan cancellation:
This move does nothing to address the cost of college, …
Yeah, Liz and Bernie have some ideas there that Joe and Kristen and the entire GOP are not too enthused about.
I bet those ideas do not contain any kernel of truth regarding the uselessness of most degrees and that the fix is not to make them more affordable but rather to stop encouraging their pursuit.
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:07 last edited by@Horace said in Student loan cancellation:
I bet those ideas do not contain any kernel of truth regarding the uselessness of most degrees and that the fix is not to make them more affordable but rather to stop encouraging their pursuit.
Yeah, it would perhaps be nice if those opposing Liz and Bernie’s idea can suggest modifications to exclude “useless degrees”, perhaps even identify what degrees should be encouraged and what should be discouraged.
Don’t forget vocational training/apprenticeships. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to include vocational training/apprenticeship when it comes to loan forgiveness or other policy ideas meant to lower the cost for post-secondary education.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:27 last edited by
Loan forgiveness is a bad idea period. I don't care what it is for.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:37 last edited by
Why doesn't the Whitehouse concentrate on making college and vocational programs more affordable? That would have a larger positive political appeal.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:39 last edited by
Senator Warren defended the loan cancellation saying that providing funds to those in debt would enable them to contribute to the economy.
I'm so old that I remember when that was called "Voodoo Economics."
Go to about 8:20.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:44 last edited by
The irony is that she is an educated economist.
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wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 23:45 last edited by
You know what's going to happen...All those master's degree guys are going to shoot for that PhD...And borrow some more money.
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Why doesn't the Whitehouse concentrate on making college and vocational programs more affordable? That would have a larger positive political appeal.
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 23:48 last edited by@Jolly said in Student loan cancellation:
Why doesn't the Whitehouse concentrate on making college and vocational programs more affordable? That would have a larger positive political appeal.
Right?
Make student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy, and end the federal guarantee. That way the credit markets will prevent students from getting in over their head.
Then subsidize state schools and community colleges in clever ways. Make them design a 4 year degree program for $x, probably hybrid online/in person.
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@Jolly said in Student loan cancellation:
Why doesn't the Whitehouse concentrate on making college and vocational programs more affordable? That would have a larger positive political appeal.
Right?
Make student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy, and end the federal guarantee. That way the credit markets will prevent students from getting in over their head.
Then subsidize state schools and community colleges in clever ways. Make them design a 4 year degree program for $x, probably hybrid online/in person.
wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 23:50 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Student loan cancellation:
Make student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy, and end the federal guarantee. That way the credit markets will prevent students from getting in over their head.
Then subsidize state schools and community colleges in clever ways. Make them design a 4 year degree program for $x, probably hybrid online/in person.Excellent suggestions.
Interesting to see so many Democrats distancing themselves from Biden on this one. They know it's a losing issue for much of the electorate.
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@jon-nyc said in Student loan cancellation:
Make student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy, and end the federal guarantee. That way the credit markets will prevent students from getting in over their head.
Then subsidize state schools and community colleges in clever ways. Make them design a 4 year degree program for $x, probably hybrid online/in person.Excellent suggestions.
Interesting to see so many Democrats distancing themselves from Biden on this one. They know it's a losing issue for much of the electorate.
wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 00:06 last edited by@George-K said in Student loan cancellation:
@jon-nyc said in Student loan cancellation:
Make student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy, and end the federal guarantee. That way the credit markets will prevent students from getting in over their head.
Then subsidize state schools and community colleges in clever ways. Make them design a 4 year degree program for $x, probably hybrid online/in person.Excellent suggestions.
Interesting to see so many Democrats distancing themselves from Biden on this one. They know it's a losing issue for much of the electorate.
Cites? I haven’t been any, but haven’t looked, either.