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    Jolly
    wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 18:13 last edited by
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    It's only wise to decide the issue before dispersing the money.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 18:13 last edited by jon-nyc
      #122

      The Texas lawsuit standing argument is really interesting. I still can’t figure out if it’s super clever or question begging.

      Though I read (Ilya Somin for example) that the case of the 6 GOP states is stronger. I think this will manage to be overturned before it’s implemented.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • J jon-nyc
        18 Nov 2022, 18:13

        The Texas lawsuit standing argument is really interesting. I still can’t figure out if it’s super clever or question begging.

        Though I read (Ilya Somin for example) that the case of the 6 GOP states is stronger. I think this will manage to be overturned before it’s implemented.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 18:17 last edited by
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        @jon-nyc said in Student loan cancellation:

        The Texas lawsuit standing argument is really interesting. I still can’t figure out if it’s super clever or question begging.

        Though I read (Ilya Somin for example) that the case of the 6 GOP states is stronger. I think this will manage to be overturned before it’s implemented.

        Do you mean the Texas decision will be overturned or the Biden plan will be overturned?

        The Brad

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 18:24 last edited by
          #124

          Biden plan will be.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Horace
            wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 18:51 last edited by
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            Another political act by the party of the deplorables which will be taken for granted by the rational left.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 20:55 last edited by
              #126

              Meanwhile, the ads during the election featuring loan cancellation were saturating the airwaves in college towns.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Mik
                wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 21:24 last edited by
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                At this point Biden doesn't care whether its implemented or not. he can claim he fulfilled his promise and if it gets overturned the GOP is to blame.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 21:37 last edited by
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                  I do feel bad for the kids. They don’t really get it yet. I mean, Lucas got the economics of everything and rationally he knew that this program could ultimately cost him more than it gave him, on an emotional level these kids thought $10-20K in debt was about to be wiped out and now it’s not.

                  The Brad

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                  • M Mik
                    18 Nov 2022, 21:24

                    At this point Biden doesn't care whether its implemented or not. he can claim he fulfilled his promise and if it gets overturned the GOP is to blame.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 21:37 last edited by
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                    @Mik said in Student loan cancellation:

                    At this point Biden doesn't care whether its implemented or not. he can claim he fulfilled his promise and if it gets overturned the GOP is to blame.

                    Yep. That’s the bitch of it.

                    The Brad

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 21:46 last edited by
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                      Yeah, especially since they banked it mentally.

                      It’s one thing for the Dems to say “your loans would be forgiven if it weren’t for these damn republicans voting against it”. It’s another if they get it and plan around having it for four months and the the GOP takes it out of their hands.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 21:51 last edited by
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                        If Congressional R’s were smart, they would start working on some comprehensive student loan reform that did include some sort of relief and would have lasting benefit.

                        The Brad

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 22:04 last edited by
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                          Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                          Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                          Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                          Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                          Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                          The Brad

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 22:05 last edited by
                            #133

                            And yes, forgive student loans that have paid as much in interest as they have in principle.

                            The Brad

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                              18 Nov 2022, 21:51

                              If Congressional R’s were smart, they would start working on some comprehensive student loan reform that did include some sort of relief and would have lasting benefit.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 22:19 last edited by
                              #134

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                              If Congressional R’s were smart, they would start working on some comprehensive student loan reform that did include some sort of relief and would have lasting benefit.

                              Hate to break it to you….

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                18 Nov 2022, 22:04

                                Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 22:21 last edited by
                                #135

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                                Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                                Honestly #3 solves the debt problem moving forward. #5 is just good policy, period.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  18 Nov 2022, 22:21

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                                  Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                  Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                  Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                  Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                  Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                                  Honestly #3 solves the debt problem moving forward. #5 is just good policy, period.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 22:37 last edited by
                                  #136

                                  @jon-nyc said in Student loan cancellation:

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                                  Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                  Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                  Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                  Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                  Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                                  Honestly #3 solves the debt problem moving forward. #5 is just good policy, period.

                                  Just to make sure you caught it, #3 is not to make student debt dischargeable, just the interest. Willing to consider making the debt dischargeable, though.

                                  The Brad

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 23:33 last edited by Copper
                                    #137

                                    How about, have the spoiled rich boys who have a college education repay the loans and then pay higher taxes to support the victims of their privilege?

                                    no justice, no peace

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 23 Nov 2022, 12:19 last edited by George K
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                                      Payback moratorium extended.

                                      The Biden administration announced Tuesday that it would extend the payment pause on federal student loans, as President Joe Biden’s debt cancellation plan remains blocked in court.

                                      The payment pause, which was previously set to expire in January, will be extended until June 30 or until the litigation is resolved — whichever comes first. If the litigation has not been resolved by June 30, payments will resume 60 days after that.

                                      “I’m completely confident that my plan is legal,” Biden said in a video announcement. “But it isn’t fair to ask tens of millions of borrowers eligible for relief to resume their student debt payments while the courts consider the lawsuit.”

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        23 Nov 2022, 12:19

                                        Payback moratorium extended.

                                        The Biden administration announced Tuesday that it would extend the payment pause on federal student loans, as President Joe Biden’s debt cancellation plan remains blocked in court.

                                        The payment pause, which was previously set to expire in January, will be extended until June 30 or until the litigation is resolved — whichever comes first. If the litigation has not been resolved by June 30, payments will resume 60 days after that.

                                        “I’m completely confident that my plan is legal,” Biden said in a video announcement. “But it isn’t fair to ask tens of millions of borrowers eligible for relief to resume their student debt payments while the courts consider the lawsuit.”

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 23 Nov 2022, 13:03 last edited by
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                                        @George-K said in Student loan cancellation:

                                        until June 30

                                        That can't be right. The president insisted, emphatically, that it would be 12/31/22 at the latest.

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                                          23 Nov 2022, 12:19

                                          Payback moratorium extended.

                                          The Biden administration announced Tuesday that it would extend the payment pause on federal student loans, as President Joe Biden’s debt cancellation plan remains blocked in court.

                                          The payment pause, which was previously set to expire in January, will be extended until June 30 or until the litigation is resolved — whichever comes first. If the litigation has not been resolved by June 30, payments will resume 60 days after that.

                                          “I’m completely confident that my plan is legal,” Biden said in a video announcement. “But it isn’t fair to ask tens of millions of borrowers eligible for relief to resume their student debt payments while the courts consider the lawsuit.”

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 23 Nov 2022, 13:22 last edited by
                                          #140

                                          @George-K said in Student loan cancellation:

                                          “I’m completely confident that my plan is legal,” Biden said in a video announcement. “But it isn’t fair to ask tens of millions of borrowers eligible for relief to resume their student debt payments while the courts consider the lawsuit.”

                                          I wonder if he really thinks this will get through the court, or if he's just keeping his game face on. I'm guessing the latter.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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