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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #120

    Biden administration asks Supreme Court to reinstate student loan forgiveness

    The Biden administration on Friday asked the Supreme Court to reinstate its student loan forgiveness program, saying its creation was well within the authority of the education secretary and that a lower court decision putting it on hold “leaves millions of economically vulnerable borrowers in limbo.”

    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit decided 3 to 0 on Monday to side with a coalition of six Republican-led states that requested that the court table any debt cancellation amid its ongoing litigation. The injunction is to remain in place until further notice from the court or the Supreme Court, according to the order.

    The ruling arrives days after a federal judge in a separate lawsuit in Texas declared Biden’s debt relief plan unlawful, effectively barring the Education Department from accepting more applications and discharging any debt. This week, Justice Department attorneys asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit to stay the ruling in the Texas case. and asked the court for a ruling by Dec. 1 “to allow the government to seek relief from the Supreme Court” if needed.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      It's only wise to decide the issue before dispersing the money.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #122

        The Texas lawsuit standing argument is really interesting. I still can’t figure out if it’s super clever or question begging.

        Though I read (Ilya Somin for example) that the case of the 6 GOP states is stronger. I think this will manage to be overturned before it’s implemented.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          The Texas lawsuit standing argument is really interesting. I still can’t figure out if it’s super clever or question begging.

          Though I read (Ilya Somin for example) that the case of the 6 GOP states is stronger. I think this will manage to be overturned before it’s implemented.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          #123

          @jon-nyc said in Student loan cancellation:

          The Texas lawsuit standing argument is really interesting. I still can’t figure out if it’s super clever or question begging.

          Though I read (Ilya Somin for example) that the case of the 6 GOP states is stronger. I think this will manage to be overturned before it’s implemented.

          Do you mean the Texas decision will be overturned or the Biden plan will be overturned?

          The Brad

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            #124

            Biden plan will be.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              #125

              Another political act by the party of the deplorables which will be taken for granted by the rational left.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #126

                Meanwhile, the ads during the election featuring loan cancellation were saturating the airwaves in college towns.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #127

                  At this point Biden doesn't care whether its implemented or not. he can claim he fulfilled his promise and if it gets overturned the GOP is to blame.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #128

                    I do feel bad for the kids. They don’t really get it yet. I mean, Lucas got the economics of everything and rationally he knew that this program could ultimately cost him more than it gave him, on an emotional level these kids thought $10-20K in debt was about to be wiped out and now it’s not.

                    The Brad

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                    • MikM Mik

                      At this point Biden doesn't care whether its implemented or not. he can claim he fulfilled his promise and if it gets overturned the GOP is to blame.

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      #129

                      @Mik said in Student loan cancellation:

                      At this point Biden doesn't care whether its implemented or not. he can claim he fulfilled his promise and if it gets overturned the GOP is to blame.

                      Yep. That’s the bitch of it.

                      The Brad

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        #130

                        Yeah, especially since they banked it mentally.

                        It’s one thing for the Dems to say “your loans would be forgiven if it weren’t for these damn republicans voting against it”. It’s another if they get it and plan around having it for four months and the the GOP takes it out of their hands.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          If Congressional R’s were smart, they would start working on some comprehensive student loan reform that did include some sort of relief and would have lasting benefit.

                          The Brad

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                            Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                            Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                            Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                            Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                            Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                            The Brad

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                              And yes, forgive student loans that have paid as much in interest as they have in principle.

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                If Congressional R’s were smart, they would start working on some comprehensive student loan reform that did include some sort of relief and would have lasting benefit.

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                                If Congressional R’s were smart, they would start working on some comprehensive student loan reform that did include some sort of relief and would have lasting benefit.

                                Hate to break it to you….

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                  Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                  Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                  Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                  Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                                  jon-nycJ Offline
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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #135

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                                  Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                  Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                  Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                  Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                  Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                                  Honestly #3 solves the debt problem moving forward. #5 is just good policy, period.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                                    Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                    Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                    Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                    Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                    Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                                    Honestly #3 solves the debt problem moving forward. #5 is just good policy, period.

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #136

                                    @jon-nyc said in Student loan cancellation:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Student loan cancellation:

                                    Stop Interest Capitalization on Federally Subsidized Loans. Forbid capitalization on private loans from Approved Lenders.

                                    Cap interest rates from approved lenders at 10%

                                    Make student debt interest dischargeable in bankruptcy.

                                    Revamp the GI Bill, include some non-military options and promote retroactive options… Just graduated from with a bachelors in engineering but buried in debt already? Welcome to the Army Corps of Engineers… We’ll pay off your debt and you will make a living. Hell, we’ll even help with graduate school… Today’s military needs college grads more than high school grads…

                                    Expand the Pell Grant program income eligibility and amounts for students going to 2 year trade schools. Push the hell out of that program.

                                    Honestly #3 solves the debt problem moving forward. #5 is just good policy, period.

                                    Just to make sure you caught it, #3 is not to make student debt dischargeable, just the interest. Willing to consider making the debt dischargeable, though.

                                    The Brad

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on last edited by Copper
                                      #137

                                      How about, have the spoiled rich boys who have a college education repay the loans and then pay higher taxes to support the victims of their privilege?

                                      no justice, no peace

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                                        George K
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                                        #138

                                        Payback moratorium extended.

                                        The Biden administration announced Tuesday that it would extend the payment pause on federal student loans, as President Joe Biden’s debt cancellation plan remains blocked in court.

                                        The payment pause, which was previously set to expire in January, will be extended until June 30 or until the litigation is resolved — whichever comes first. If the litigation has not been resolved by June 30, payments will resume 60 days after that.

                                        “I’m completely confident that my plan is legal,” Biden said in a video announcement. “But it isn’t fair to ask tens of millions of borrowers eligible for relief to resume their student debt payments while the courts consider the lawsuit.”

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Payback moratorium extended.

                                          The Biden administration announced Tuesday that it would extend the payment pause on federal student loans, as President Joe Biden’s debt cancellation plan remains blocked in court.

                                          The payment pause, which was previously set to expire in January, will be extended until June 30 or until the litigation is resolved — whichever comes first. If the litigation has not been resolved by June 30, payments will resume 60 days after that.

                                          “I’m completely confident that my plan is legal,” Biden said in a video announcement. “But it isn’t fair to ask tens of millions of borrowers eligible for relief to resume their student debt payments while the courts consider the lawsuit.”

                                          CopperC Offline
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                                          @George-K said in Student loan cancellation:

                                          until June 30

                                          That can't be right. The president insisted, emphatically, that it would be 12/31/22 at the latest.

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