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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #764

    Butler, Trump Employee #5

    Interview & profile of a Trump employee who unknowingly got mixed up in the Trump classified documents case.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #765

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #766

        I assume that's boilerplate. I'm not clear how it changes an FBI officer's decisions, to have been told they are "authorized to use deadly force when necessary". I mean any LEO is authorized to use deadly force when necessary. Otherwise, they wouldn't give them guns.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #767

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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #768

            J6 Defense Lawyer Comments:

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #769

              As I said. The right wing media is running with this nothing burger. I got an email about it from some list I never intentionally subscribed to.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                As I said. The right wing media is running with this nothing burger. I got an email about it from some list I never intentionally subscribed to.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #770

                @Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                this nothing burger

                Yup.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  #771

                  So the Biden Crime Family plotted to kill Mr. Trump.

                  And like most of Mr. Biden's plans, it was another failure.

                  Mr. Trump outsmarts them again.

                  Nothing surprises me anymore.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #772

                    It's not a nothing burger.

                    It's a former fucking President of the United States. Period.

                    I'd like to know...Was deadly force authorized when Biden's home was searched?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      It's not a nothing burger.

                      It's a former fucking President of the United States. Period.

                      I'd like to know...Was deadly force authorized when Biden's home was searched?

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #773

                      @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      It's not a nothing burger.

                      It's a former fucking President of the United States. Period.

                      According to Shipley, former fed prosecutor, now defending ~50 Jan 6 defendants, it's SOP.

                      I'd like to know...Was deadly force authorized when Biden's home was searched?

                      Good question. I don't even know if there was a warrant.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #774

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #775

                          Reminds me of this piece I came across recently.

                          https://ncofnas.com/p/why-we-need-to-talk-about-the-rights

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #776

                            I don't care if it's boiler-plate.

                            Imagine if some trigger happy agent shot Donald Trump...Wonder what the country's reaction would be?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #777

                              Funny thing about Trump getting shot, as a thought experiment, is that lots of people on both sides would be deliriously excited about it.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
                                #778

                                Recent Unsealed judge document about the raid:

                                “Two months after the former president yielded 38 unique classified documents to the government on June 3, 2022, the government discovered over 100 additional classified documents stored in Mar-a-Lago during execution of the August 8, 2022 search warrant that the former president had failed to deliver,” the opinion stated.

                                “The documents were classified to levels as high as TOP SECRET, with some documents bearing additional sensitive compartment indications; undoubtedly, these documents contained national defense information.”

                                “More classified-marked documents still were uncovered in November 2022 in a leased storage unit, in December 2022 in the Office at Mar-a-Lago, and apparently sometime thereafter in the former president’s own bedroom at Mar-a-Lago.”

                                Whole document here:
                                https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.561.4.pdf

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  It's not a nothing burger.

                                  It's a former fucking President of the United States. Period.

                                  According to Shipley, former fed prosecutor, now defending ~50 Jan 6 defendants, it's SOP.

                                  I'd like to know...Was deadly force authorized when Biden's home was searched?

                                  Good question. I don't even know if there was a warrant.

                                  jon-nycJ Offline
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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #779

                                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  It's not a nothing burger.

                                  It's a former fucking President of the United States. Period.

                                  According to Shipley, former fed prosecutor, now defending ~50 Jan 6 defendants, it's SOP.

                                  I'd like to know...Was deadly force authorized when Biden's home was searched?

                                  Good question. I don't even know if there was a warrant.

                                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  It's not a nothing burger.

                                  It's a former fucking President of the United States. Period.

                                  According to Shipley, former fed prosecutor, now defending ~50 Jan 6 defendants, it's SOP.

                                  I'd like to know...Was deadly force authorized when Biden's home was searched?

                                  Good question. I don't even know if there was a warrant.

                                  Probably not, unlike the fat man he was cooperating.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #780

                                    McCarthy:

                                    All search warrants involve the possibility of forced entry. All of them involve police seizures of property, which can subject the personnel involved to legal risks as well as safety risks. The cops or federal agents usually do a good job of identifying themselves during the process of seeking or forcing entry; yet there are tragic instances in which people inside the premises mistakenly believe violent criminals, rather than cops, are trying to get in, resulting in physical confrontations including, sometimes, exchanges of gunfire.

                                    As a result, and as a matter of common sense, the FBI always has an operational plan for carrying out a court-authorized search. That plan customarily involves reminding the search teams of the FBI’s use-of-force policies. Those policies, of course, include a refresher on the conditions under which lethal force may be used. This is to prepare law-enforcement officials for contingencies that are all too familiar, and to protect the agency and agents in the event of later legal claims.

                                    If you don’t instantly grasp why police agencies would perform these prudential steps, you must have been living under a rock for the last decade or so, which has featured no shortage of instances in which allegations of excessive police force have been made (and a thankfully small percentage of instances when excessive force was actually used), with intense scrutiny and occasional rioting in the aftermath.

                                    It would have been surprising if the Mar-a-Lago search hadn’t been conducted in accordance with an operational plan of which use-of-force policies were a component. It was important to do this search by the book — more on that momentarily. But there was never anticipation that force, much less lethal force, would be used, and there was never any threat to the former president. My understanding is that the FBI was reluctant to do the search — it was Justice Department officials who ran out of patience with Trump’s intransigence. The bureau intentionally carried out the search when it was known that Trump was not on the premises.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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