Mar-a-Lago raided
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@Jolly there's a lot more at the link.
Also, it was reported that Garland spent weeks agonizing over the decision to authorize the
raidsearch. If there was an urgency, because, also reprortedly, there were nuclear codes, why take weeks to make a decision?I found Garland's self-serving
press conferencestatement to be disingenuous on several points. Most notably, when he invoked the character and apolitical nature of the FBI when, presumably, all the information about what was taken comes from leaks, within the FBI.And don't get me started on Mr. Strzok.
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Also, it was reported that Garland spent weeks agonizing over the decision to authorize the
raidsearch. If there was an urgency, because, also reprortedly, there were nuclear codes, why take weeks to make a decision?This. It makes no sense whatsoever that if there were something that rises to the level of espionage, why would you wait, especially when the subject knew what you knew?
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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Just as a personal political opinion:
The Resident's party is doing everything they can, both politically and through their advocacy arm, the MSM, to blunt the Red Wave in November. They've had some success.
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They passed the misnamed Inflation Reduction Act, which doesn't reduce inflation, but sounds good. Contained within the act are provisions which keep the Wall Street types happy. There's also that EV money, that the automakers immediately sucked up through price increases. Of course, they'll proudly point out that the act authorizes a huge drilling lease sale (without saying anything about actually letting anybody put pipe in the ground).
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They've managed to wound some of the GOP Senate candidates, such as Walker and Oz.
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They're pushing Cheney right now, mostly for the January 6th narrative. Most of the country no longer gives a rat's ass about the Capitol Riot, but the Beltway is still obsessed. I think they're trying to invigorate their base and bring some in the middle back to the fold, but I just think the issue doesn't resonate broadly enough.
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Trump. The Resident is so far in the crapper, the GOP is trying to take advantage and nationalize the Congressional elections. Dems are desperately trying to make the election about Trump. Again, the emphasis on January 6th, but it's also why the Whitehouse leaned on Garland to raid Trump's home (yeah, they say they didn't know and I have this bridge...).
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COVID. The Dems are finally figuring out most of the country has moved ahead of them. They will no longer pay for vaccines in a country where 95% of people have been vaxxed or have natural antibodies, especially since current vaccines are markedly less effective. They've also quit scaring people with mortality numbers...They know that is no longer a winning strategy. Plus, the CDC has publicly said they are overhauling procedures, since they fucked up by the numbers. Watch for vaccine mandates to end in Federal agencies.
It's going to be interesting to see what the Dems will do between now and November. Throw money around trying to buy votes, lie about the economy, play "look at the shiny object" politics, just anything to tread water and keep their losses to a minimum.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Also, it was reported that Garland spent weeks agonizing over the decision to authorize the
raidsearch. If there was an urgency, because, also reprortedly, there were nuclear codes, why take weeks to make a decision?This. It makes no sense whatsoever that if there were something that rises to the level of espionage, why would you wait, especially when the subject knew what you knew?
@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
It makes no sense whatsoever that if there were something that rises to the level of espionage, why would you wait,
I don't know . . . firstly, Washington never does anything fast. Second, 100 lawyers would weigh in on the meaning of "rises to the level of espionage" versus Trump's rights. Meetings, confabbing.
Third, what acts of espionage are they thinking about, talking about? Nuclear secrets can mean many things. What acts might have already been committed? What is possible? What is probable? How much of it is even real versus media/social bullshit? More
ditheringmeetings.I'm not defending anybody. I'm saying nothing is ever simple in Washington. Most relevant where thee and me are concerned, we will never know a fraction of it.
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@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
You kind of have to wonder if he didn't orchestrate the whole thing.
That has occurred to me. As he said, "I always find a way to win."
And he'll never give up.
@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
You kind of have to wonder if he didn't orchestrate the whole thing.
That has occurred to me. As he said, "I always find a way to win."
And he'll never give up.
Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?
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@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
You kind of have to wonder if he didn't orchestrate the whole thing.
That has occurred to me. As he said, "I always find a way to win."
And he'll never give up.
Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?
@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?
That is certainly possible. Everything Trump does is all about Trump.
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@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?
That is certainly possible. Everything Trump does is all about Trump.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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We shall see.
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Appears to be lot’s of Op-Eds about “whether this”or “whether that”. As I wrote earlier in response to Kluurs post, it is a murky business.
Still, given the American system’s reputation for checks and balances on executive power, it is inconceivable for me to imagine that there are no prescribed procedures for the POTUS to declassify documents of national security.
Only time will tell how this all shakes out.
Elbows up!
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Seems like PR, since it’s a red herring.
The espionage act doesn’t require that the documents be classified. Indeed the act predates our classification system.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Seems like PR, since it’s a red herring.
The espionage act doesn’t require that the documents be classified. Indeed the act predates our classification system.
Man, nobody would want that can of worms. Nobody.
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Appears to be lot’s of Op-Eds about “whether this”or “whether that”. As I wrote earlier in response to Kluurs post, it is a murky business.
Still, given the American system’s reputation for checks and balances on executive power, it is inconceivable for me to imagine that there are no prescribed procedures for the POTUS to declassify documents of national security.
Only time will tell how this all shakes out.
@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
till, given the American system’s reputation for checks and balances on executive power, it is inconceivable for me to imagine that there are no prescribed procedures for the POTUS to declassify documents of national security.<
I know. But apparently it's so. This from Verifythis.com, truncated: "A 2009 executive order directs the head of a government agency that originally deemed information classified to oversee its declassification, and sets some rules for that process. But those protocols outlined in the executive order don’t apply to the president, McClanahan said. (Italics mine.)
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Fishing expedition.
They already knew the boxes were there. They had already asked for a padlock to be installed on the storeroom door.
Trumps people are claiming that the FBI seized privileged attorney-client documents. If there were such a claim, DOJ should appoint a "special master" to determine what's privileged and what is not.
FBI - "Nope, not gonna happen."
The FBI seized boxes containing records covered by attorney-client privilege and potentially executive privilege during its raid of former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News, adding that the Justice Department opposed Trump lawyers' request for the appointment of an independent, special master to review the records.
Sources familiar with the investigation told Fox News Saturday that the former president’s team was informed that boxes labeled A-14, A-26, A-43, A-13, A-33, and a set of documents—all seen on the final page of the FBI’s property receipt —contained information covered by attorney-client privilege.
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Trumps people are claiming that the FBI seized privileged attorney-client documents. If there were such a claim, DOJ should appoint a "special master" to determine what's privileged and what is not.
FBI - "Nope, not gonna happen."
Trump filed a lawsuit Monday seeking the appointment of a special master to review the materials seized by the FBI earlier this month.
Mr. Trump is also seeking a more detailed inventory of the items taken from his home in Mar-a-Lago, as well as the return of any items seized that weren’t within the scope of the search warrant.
“To date,the government has failed to legitimize its historic decision to raid the home of a President who had been fully cooperative,” Mr. Trump’s lawyers said in the civil complaint, titled Trump v. United States Government.
A special master is a third party, usually a retired judge, who reviews evidence to determine whether it is protected by attorney-client privilege or similar legal doctrines. A special master was used to review evidence taken from the home and office of Michael Cohen, a former Trump lawyer who pleaded guilty to tax evasion and other felonies in 2018.
Earlier on Monday, a federal judge in Florida said again that he is inclined to make public at least part of an affidavit detailing the evidence that led the FBI to search Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, saying it would “promote public understanding of historically significant events.”
In a written order memorializing comments he made from the bench last week, U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart agreed with the government that revealing too much of that document could expose witnesses and jeopardize the continuing investigation into the former president’s handling of classified information. But he rejected officials’ effort to keep the entire document–which would provide details about how the FBI established probable cause for its search–under seal and to argue that any effort to redact it placed an onerous burden on the government.
“Particularly given the intense public and historical interest in an unprecedented search of a former President’s residence, the Government has not yet shown that these administrative concerns are sufficient to justify sealing,” Judge Reinhart wrote. He gave the Justice Department until noon on Thursday to suggest portions of the document that should remain secret.
