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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #417

    You do illogical things when you are mad or scared.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      You do illogical things when you are mad or scared.

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      George K
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      #418

      @Jolly there's a lot more at the link.

      Also, it was reported that Garland spent weeks agonizing over the decision to authorize the raid search. If there was an urgency, because, also reprortedly, there were nuclear codes, why take weeks to make a decision?

      I found Garland's self-serving press conference statement to be disingenuous on several points. Most notably, when he invoked the character and apolitical nature of the FBI when, presumably, all the information about what was taken comes from leaks, within the FBI.

      And don't get me started on Mr. Strzok.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #419

        We all know the nuclear leak was BS. By its very nature, the raid was a fishing expedition.

        Whatever the outcome, Garland has ruined his reputation.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG George K

          @Jolly there's a lot more at the link.

          Also, it was reported that Garland spent weeks agonizing over the decision to authorize the raid search. If there was an urgency, because, also reprortedly, there were nuclear codes, why take weeks to make a decision?

          I found Garland's self-serving press conference statement to be disingenuous on several points. Most notably, when he invoked the character and apolitical nature of the FBI when, presumably, all the information about what was taken comes from leaks, within the FBI.

          And don't get me started on Mr. Strzok.

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          Mik
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          #420

          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          Also, it was reported that Garland spent weeks agonizing over the decision to authorize the raid search. If there was an urgency, because, also reprortedly, there were nuclear codes, why take weeks to make a decision?

          This. It makes no sense whatsoever that if there were something that rises to the level of espionage, why would you wait, especially when the subject knew what you knew?

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #421

            Just as a personal political opinion:

            The Resident's party is doing everything they can, both politically and through their advocacy arm, the MSM, to blunt the Red Wave in November. They've had some success.

            1. They passed the misnamed Inflation Reduction Act, which doesn't reduce inflation, but sounds good. Contained within the act are provisions which keep the Wall Street types happy. There's also that EV money, that the automakers immediately sucked up through price increases. Of course, they'll proudly point out that the act authorizes a huge drilling lease sale (without saying anything about actually letting anybody put pipe in the ground).

            2. They've managed to wound some of the GOP Senate candidates, such as Walker and Oz.

            3. They're pushing Cheney right now, mostly for the January 6th narrative. Most of the country no longer gives a rat's ass about the Capitol Riot, but the Beltway is still obsessed. I think they're trying to invigorate their base and bring some in the middle back to the fold, but I just think the issue doesn't resonate broadly enough.

            4. Trump. The Resident is so far in the crapper, the GOP is trying to take advantage and nationalize the Congressional elections. Dems are desperately trying to make the election about Trump. Again, the emphasis on January 6th, but it's also why the Whitehouse leaned on Garland to raid Trump's home (yeah, they say they didn't know and I have this bridge...).

            5. COVID. The Dems are finally figuring out most of the country has moved ahead of them. They will no longer pay for vaccines in a country where 95% of people have been vaxxed or have natural antibodies, especially since current vaccines are markedly less effective. They've also quit scaring people with mortality numbers...They know that is no longer a winning strategy. Plus, the CDC has publicly said they are overhauling procedures, since they fucked up by the numbers. Watch for vaccine mandates to end in Federal agencies.

            It's going to be interesting to see what the Dems will do between now and November. Throw money around trying to buy votes, lie about the economy, play "look at the shiny object" politics, just anything to tread water and keep their losses to a minimum.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Mik

              @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              Also, it was reported that Garland spent weeks agonizing over the decision to authorize the raid search. If there was an urgency, because, also reprortedly, there were nuclear codes, why take weeks to make a decision?

              This. It makes no sense whatsoever that if there were something that rises to the level of espionage, why would you wait, especially when the subject knew what you knew?

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              Catseye3
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              #422

              @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              It makes no sense whatsoever that if there were something that rises to the level of espionage, why would you wait,

              I don't know . . . firstly, Washington never does anything fast. Second, 100 lawyers would weigh in on the meaning of "rises to the level of espionage" versus Trump's rights. Meetings, confabbing.

              Third, what acts of espionage are they thinking about, talking about? Nuclear secrets can mean many things. What acts might have already been committed? What is possible? What is probable? How much of it is even real versus media/social bullshit? More dithering meetings.

              I'm not defending anybody. I'm saying nothing is ever simple in Washington. Most relevant where thee and me are concerned, we will never know a fraction of it.

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                You kind of have to wonder if he didn't orchestrate the whole thing.

                That has occurred to me. As he said, "I always find a way to win."

                And he'll never give up.

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                Renauda
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                #423

                @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                You kind of have to wonder if he didn't orchestrate the whole thing.

                That has occurred to me. As he said, "I always find a way to win."

                And he'll never give up.

                Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  You kind of have to wonder if he didn't orchestrate the whole thing.

                  That has occurred to me. As he said, "I always find a way to win."

                  And he'll never give up.

                  Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?

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                  Catseye3
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                  #424

                  @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?

                  That is certainly possible. Everything Trump does is all about Trump.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    Maybe he wanted to get one up on Putin with a “genius” move on his own?

                    That is certainly possible. Everything Trump does is all about Trump.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #425

                    @Catseye3

                    Am sure that the very idea that Putin could be out geniusing him in Ukraine kept Trump awake nights and rolling over in bed.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #426

                      Former Clerk to Justice Gorsuch:

                      Read the thread:

                      His OpEd.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #427

                        Very interesting.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #428

                          We shall see.

                          I was only joking

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #429

                            I’m reserving judgment until more information is available.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • George KG George K

                              Former Clerk to Justice Gorsuch:

                              Read the thread:

                              His OpEd.

                              RenaudaR Offline
                              RenaudaR Offline
                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #430

                              @George-K

                              Appears to be lot’s of Op-Eds about “whether this”or “whether that”. As I wrote earlier in response to Kluurs post, it is a murky business.

                              Still, given the American system’s reputation for checks and balances on executive power, it is inconceivable for me to imagine that there are no prescribed procedures for the POTUS to declassify documents of national security.

                              Only time will tell how this all shakes out.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • George KG George K

                                Former Clerk to Justice Gorsuch:

                                Read the thread:

                                His OpEd.

                                JollyJ Offline
                                JollyJ Offline
                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #431

                                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Former Clerk to Justice Gorsuch:

                                Read the thread:

                                His OpEd.

                                Gee, maybe I'm not so full of shit as some have said...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #432

                                  Seems like PR, since it’s a red herring.

                                  The espionage act doesn’t require that the documents be classified. Indeed the act predates our classification system.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • George KG George K

                                    Former Clerk to Justice Gorsuch:

                                    Read the thread:

                                    His OpEd.

                                    CopperC Offline
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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #433

                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Former Clerk to Justice Gorsuch:

                                    Read the thread:

                                    His OpEd.

                                    Just when you think we are all experts, someone drops this on us.

                                    What next?

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Seems like PR, since it’s a red herring.

                                      The espionage act doesn’t require that the documents be classified. Indeed the act predates our classification system.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #434

                                      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      Seems like PR, since it’s a red herring.

                                      The espionage act doesn’t require that the documents be classified. Indeed the act predates our classification system.

                                      Man, nobody would want that can of worms. Nobody.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @George-K

                                        Appears to be lot’s of Op-Eds about “whether this”or “whether that”. As I wrote earlier in response to Kluurs post, it is a murky business.

                                        Still, given the American system’s reputation for checks and balances on executive power, it is inconceivable for me to imagine that there are no prescribed procedures for the POTUS to declassify documents of national security.

                                        Only time will tell how this all shakes out.

                                        Catseye3C Offline
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                                        Catseye3
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                                        #435

                                        @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        till, given the American system’s reputation for checks and balances on executive power, it is inconceivable for me to imagine that there are no prescribed procedures for the POTUS to declassify documents of national security.<

                                        I know. But apparently it's so. This from Verifythis.com, truncated: "A 2009 executive order directs the head of a government agency that originally deemed information classified to oversee its declassification, and sets some rules for that process. But those protocols outlined in the executive order don’t apply to the president, McClanahan said. (Italics mine.)

                                        https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/how-us-presidents-can-declassify-documents-trump-mar-a-lago-search-fact-check/536-e1961390-e7c6-438a-b9b5-671dc9c6f7ec

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • HoraceH Offline
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                                          #436

                                          Is "espionage" indicated by any of the released documents yet? Or is that wishful thinking?

                                          Education is extremely important.

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