Mar-a-Lago raided
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 12:58 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Says the man who’s entire politics are motivated by grievance and revenge.
We should all be so lucky to have our hearts and public noises unambiguously left aligned, while relying, in our heads, on most of the conservative policies supported by the politicians we despise. So fortunate to be in such a no lose space.
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 13:01 last edited by jon-nyc 8 Oct 2022, 13:01
A weird thing happens to musca domestica larvae, they assume that being anti-Trump makes someone unambiguously lefty. Despite my many thousands of posts to the contrary.
-
A weird thing happens to musca domestica larvae, they assume that being anti-Trump makes someone unambiguously lefty. Despite my many thousands of posts to the contrary.
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 13:03 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
A weird thing happens to musca domestica larvae, they assume that being anti-Trump makes someone unambiguously lefty. Despite my many thousands of posts to the contrary.
Is this where you attempt to gaslight people into believing you’re a confirmed centrist on national politics? While obviously being terrified of being associated with the right?
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 13:06 last edited by
How could I ever get away with that after so many years of carrying water for AOC and Bernie Sanders?
You think I’d risk getting kicked out of the local BLM chapter just to impress you?
-
How could I ever get away with that after so many years of carrying water for AOC and Bernie Sanders?
You think I’d risk getting kicked out of the local BLM chapter just to impress you?
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 13:07 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
How could I ever get away with that after so many years of carrying water for AOC and Bernie Sanders?
You think I’d risk getting kicked out of the local BLM chapter just to impress you?
Your emotes are homogenous in their valence. (That sentence was for you 89th).
And you know emotes are how to establish social credibility.
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 13:16 last edited by Jolly 8 Oct 2022, 13:42
Revenge? Nah, I'd like to see a reckoning.
Some people are quite comfortable with a biased justice system, where some are favored and some are persecuted based on political affiliation. I am not.
Some people are comfortable with questionable elections, as long as their candidate wins or their hated candidate loses. I am not.
Some people are comfortable looking down their nose at normal Americans, who long to see their country returned to Reagan's vision of a shining city on a hill. I am not.
Some people are quite happy with bloated bills that preserve Wall Street tax breaks, while simultaneously unleashing a new ravaging horde of tax collectors on the poor and middle class. I am not.
Some people will support the election of a dementia patient to the most powerful position on the planet, if it slakes their thirst for political blood. I do not.
And if it takes introducing a catalyst in the soup of the Washington Swamp, to shake the foundations of the current banana republic, to try to corral inflation, secure the border, kill CRT in the schools and let the military get back to its job, rather than sensitivity training...Why, yes. I'm for that.
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 13:36 last edited by
If true, why were Trump's attorneys not permitted to watch the
raidsearch? Why were they locked out of the building? -
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 14:27 last edited by
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 14:28 last edited by
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 14:35 last edited by
Heard today that they are trying to reclassify the raid as an agricultural event.
The FBI spent hours engaged in planting...bugs, evidence, etc...
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 14:39 last edited by
Speaking of how, in the end, peoples' fundaments govern how they vote, which you weren't but I am, I just redd this from Mike Manson, which probably answers that as well as anything:
"You see, our rational brains are absolutely terrible when our emotional brains are firing on all cylinders. From an evolutionary standpoint, the emotional brain is too old and too important for our survival that our rational brains sometimes can’t even get their shoes on before our emotions have burned the damn house down."
-
Heard today that they are trying to reclassify the raid as an agricultural event.
The FBI spent hours engaged in planting...bugs, evidence, etc...
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 14:40 last edited by@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Heard today that they are trying to reclassify the raid as an agricultural event.
The FBI spent hours engaged in planting...bugs, evidence, etc...Or slinging bullshit, depending on your persuasion.
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 15:22 last edited by
I'm an old country boy and I know bullshit when I see it.
Let us know how much you weigh, just in case you ever fall in a toilet. Would hate to dig out too much or too little.
Help us to help you...
-
I'm an old country boy and I know bullshit when I see it.
Let us know how much you weigh, just in case you ever fall in a toilet. Would hate to dig out too much or too little.
Help us to help you...
-
Speaking of how, in the end, peoples' fundaments govern how they vote, which you weren't but I am, I just redd this from Mike Manson, which probably answers that as well as anything:
"You see, our rational brains are absolutely terrible when our emotional brains are firing on all cylinders. From an evolutionary standpoint, the emotional brain is too old and too important for our survival that our rational brains sometimes can’t even get their shoes on before our emotions have burned the damn house down."
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 15:46 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Speaking of how, in the end, peoples' fundaments govern how they vote, which you weren't but I am, I just redd this from Mike Manson, which probably answers that as well as anything:
"You see, our rational brains are absolutely terrible when our emotional brains are firing on all cylinders. From an evolutionary standpoint, the emotional brain is too old and too important for our survival that our rational brains sometimes can’t even get their shoes on before our emotions have burned the damn house down."
Well circa 100% of the political messaging we’re exposed to is designed to maximize our emotional response. So I guess this figures. The anti Trump messaging is entirely about maximizing the fear and disgust reactions. This works well.
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 16:27 last edited by
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 16:42 last edited by
From Yahoo: https://news.yahoo.com/understanding-the-fb-is-raid-on-trumps-mar-a-lago-home-003031665.html
"Tracy Walder, a former FBI special agent and CIA operative, laughed when asked whether obtaining a search warrant in an investigation into an ordinary American was as simple as just dialing up a judge to railroad a personal enemy.
"Walder noted that the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago was executed by the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section of the Department of Justice. “I was on that squad at the FBI,” Walder said. “I will never forget when I had to go and get a search warrant. My supervisor told me, ‘If you don't get it, don’t bother coming back to the office. Turn in your badge, you're done.’ You need an overabundance of information to obtain one to a point that — I'll be frank — is annoying. I could have a guy on the phone admitting to a crime, and that wouldn’t necessarily be sufficient.”
"In Trump’s case, Walder said, the very fact that the FBI felt compelled to seek out a warrant underscores the gravity of what it has determined so far. Unlike wiretaps or surreptitious entries, search warrants become public information, especially when they target public figures; the inevitable fallout from targeting a public figure of this magnitude will have been considered extremely carefully at all levels of law enforcement involved."
-
From Yahoo: https://news.yahoo.com/understanding-the-fb-is-raid-on-trumps-mar-a-lago-home-003031665.html
"Tracy Walder, a former FBI special agent and CIA operative, laughed when asked whether obtaining a search warrant in an investigation into an ordinary American was as simple as just dialing up a judge to railroad a personal enemy.
"Walder noted that the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago was executed by the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section of the Department of Justice. “I was on that squad at the FBI,” Walder said. “I will never forget when I had to go and get a search warrant. My supervisor told me, ‘If you don't get it, don’t bother coming back to the office. Turn in your badge, you're done.’ You need an overabundance of information to obtain one to a point that — I'll be frank — is annoying. I could have a guy on the phone admitting to a crime, and that wouldn’t necessarily be sufficient.”
"In Trump’s case, Walder said, the very fact that the FBI felt compelled to seek out a warrant underscores the gravity of what it has determined so far. Unlike wiretaps or surreptitious entries, search warrants become public information, especially when they target public figures; the inevitable fallout from targeting a public figure of this magnitude will have been considered extremely carefully at all levels of law enforcement involved."
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 16:46 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
From Yahoo: https://news.yahoo.com/understanding-the-fb-is-raid-on-trumps-mar-a-lago-home-003031665.html
"Tracy Walder, a former FBI special agent and CIA operative, laughed when asked whether obtaining a search warrant in an investigation into an ordinary American was as simple as just dialing up a judge to railroad a personal enemy.
"Walder noted that the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago was executed by the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section of the Department of Justice. “I was on that squad at the FBI,” Walder said. “I will never forget when I had to go and get a search warrant. My supervisor told me, ‘If you don't get it, don’t bother coming back to the office. Turn in your badge, you're done.’ You need an overabundance of information to obtain one to a point that — I'll be frank — is annoying. I could have a guy on the phone admitting to a crime, and that wouldn’t necessarily be sufficient.”
"In Trump’s case, Walder said, the very fact that the FBI felt compelled to seek out a warrant underscores the gravity of what it has determined so far. Unlike wiretaps or surreptitious entries, search warrants become public information, especially when they target public figures; the inevitable fallout from targeting a public figure of this magnitude will have been considered extremely carefully at all levels of law enforcement involved."
Another person who will be super embarrassed if this turns out to be an overdue library book from the national archives.
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 17:20 last edited by Catseye3 8 Oct 2022, 17:21
A bit more from the Yahoo article, some truncated:
"On June 3, [Trump's] attorneys allowed the investigators access to a basement room where the presidential documents were being kept. Some had Top Secret markings, according to one source interviewed by CNN.
"Five days later, at the request of the investigators, Trump’s aides installed a padlock to the door of the storage room.
“They probably saw stuff that Trump should absolutely not be in possession of,” Strzok said.
And anent George's Dersh postings, he said:
“Subpoenaing it won’t work, because of the chain of custody. And Trump isn’t acting in good faith to just hand the stuff over. The only other option left is to get a warrant.”
-
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 19:58 last edited by
An Informer Told the FBI What Docs Trump Was Hiding
The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.
The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI's deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump's Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.
FBI decision-makers in Washington and Miami thought that denying the former president a photo opportunity or a platform from which to grandstand (or to attempt to thwart the raid) would lower the profile of the event, says one of the sources, a senior Justice Department official who is a 30-year veteran of the FBI.
NEWSWEEK NEWSLETTER SIGN-UP >
The effort to keep the raid low-key failed: instead, it prompted a furious response from GOP leaders and Trump supporters. "What a spectacular backfire," says the Justice official."I know that there is much speculation out there that this is political persecution, but it is really the best and the worst of the bureaucracy in action," the official says. "They wanted to punctuate the fact that this was a routine law enforcement action, stripped of any political overtones, and yet [they] got exactly the opposite."
Both senior government officials say the raid was scheduled with no political motive, the FBI solely intent on recovering highly classified documents that were illegally removed from the White House. Preparations to conduct such an operation began weeks ago, but in planning the date and time, the FBI Miami Field Office and Washington headquarters were focused on the former president's scheduled return to Florida from his residences in New York and New Jersey.
"They were seeking to avoid any media circus," says the second source, a senior intelligence official who was briefed on the investigation and the operation. "So even though everything made sense bureaucratically and the FBI feared that the documents might be destroyed, they also created the very firestorm they sought to avoid, in ignoring the fallout."