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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #153

    Most recent speculation I read, from a left leaning major outlet, was that this is about the national archives stuff. The boring possibility having to do with disagreements over what is classified government property and what is personal property.

    We shall see, but when? Long enough that if it’s a nothing burger, nobody will care?

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      Most recent speculation I read, from a left leaning major outlet, was that this is about the national archives stuff. The boring possibility having to do with disagreements over what is classified government property and what is personal property.

      We shall see, but when? Long enough that if it’s a nothing burger, nobody will care?

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #154

      @Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      Long enough that if it’s a nothing burger, nobody will care?

      Some interesting speculation from today's WSJ.

      Mr. Trump has already returned 15 boxes of documents, but the National Archives wants to know if the former President retained classified material he shouldn’t have. This is what appears to have triggered the FBI search, but it’s far from clear why this couldn’t be settled cooperatively, or at most with a subpoena.

      Didn’t someone at Justice point out that a search in this case would draw comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information before her 2016 presidential campaign? She was never prosecuted, as Mr. Trump was quick to point out. Unless Mr. Trump’s offense involves a serious risk to national security, half of America may see the Trump search as an example of unequal justice.

      And...

      That the Mar-a-Lago raid occurred only about 90 days from a national election also increases the political suspicion. Democrats want to keep Mr. Trump front and center in the midterm campaign, which is why the Jan. 6 committee is continuing into the autumn.

      Anyone who thinks an indictment and trial of Mr. Trump would go smoothly is in for a rude surprise. Millions of his supporters will see this as vindication of his charges against the “deep state,” and who knows how they will respond. Has Mr. Garland considered all of this?

      Worse in the long term is the precedent being set and the payback it is likely to inspire. Once the Rubicon of prosecuting a former President has been crossed—especially if the alleged offense and evidence are less than compelling—every future President will be a target. William Barr, Mr. Trump’s second AG, wisely resisted pressure to indict political actors without a very strong case. The next Republican AG will not be as scrupulous.

      And...

      The FBI search alone makes it more likely that Mr. Trump will run again for President, if only to vindicate himself. He will run as a martyr, and even Republicans who want to turn the page on the former President may be repelled by what they see as a political prosecution.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #155

        The theory where this is a 4D chess trolling of Donald Trump to galvanize his run? Sure why not.

        Education is extremely important.

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          #156

          I doubt very seriously that this raid was about classified papers. That may be the excuse, but this was a fishing expedition, purely political in nature. They've got the man, they just need a crime.

          Given past behavior and the willingness of the Dem machine to weaponize Justice against all things Trump, it's just another day in our banana republic.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            I doubt very seriously that this raid was about classified papers. That may be the excuse, but this was a fishing expedition, purely political in nature. They've got the man, they just need a crime.

            Given past behavior and the willingness of the Dem machine to weaponize Justice against all things Trump, it's just another day in our banana republic.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #157

            @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            I doubt very seriously that this raid was about classified papers. That may be the excuse, but this was a fishing expedition, purely political in nature. They've got the man, they just need a crime.

            That's Andy McCarthy's take. Once you're in, if you find evidence of another crime, even in Melania's wardrobe, you can run with it.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #158

              If the warrant is about nothing burger national archives stuff, the fishing expedition immediately becomes the most likely explanation. I suspect even TDS sufferers might admit that.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #159

                I like how they are setting precedence.

                If the GOP can take the House and Senate in the midterm, a lot of people may want to clear their calendars.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  I like how they are setting precedence.

                  If the GOP can take the House and Senate in the midterm, a lot of people may want to clear their calendars.

                  jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #160

                  @Jolly Either one suffices. They both can have hearingpalooza.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #161

                    Of course, if they can't take Trump down this way, I guess the next step is assassination.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Of course, if they can't take Trump down this way, I guess the next step is assassination.

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                      jon-nyc
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                      #162

                      @Jolly

                      I’d much rather he die in prison.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #163

                        So much hate, so little time.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #164

                          Says the man who’s entire politics are motivated by grievance and revenge.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Says the man who’s entire politics are motivated by grievance and revenge.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #165

                            @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            Says the man who’s entire politics are motivated by grievance and revenge.

                            We should all be so lucky to have our hearts and public noises unambiguously left aligned, while relying, in our heads, on most of the conservative policies supported by the politicians we despise. So fortunate to be in such a no lose space.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                              #166

                              A weird thing happens to musca domestica larvae, they assume that being anti-Trump makes someone unambiguously lefty. Despite my many thousands of posts to the contrary.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                A weird thing happens to musca domestica larvae, they assume that being anti-Trump makes someone unambiguously lefty. Despite my many thousands of posts to the contrary.

                                HoraceH Offline
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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #167

                                @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                A weird thing happens to musca domestica larvae, they assume that being anti-Trump makes someone unambiguously lefty. Despite my many thousands of posts to the contrary.

                                Is this where you attempt to gaslight people into believing you’re a confirmed centrist on national politics? While obviously being terrified of being associated with the right?

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #168

                                  How could I ever get away with that after so many years of carrying water for AOC and Bernie Sanders?

                                  You think I’d risk getting kicked out of the local BLM chapter just to impress you?

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                                  HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    How could I ever get away with that after so many years of carrying water for AOC and Bernie Sanders?

                                    You think I’d risk getting kicked out of the local BLM chapter just to impress you?

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #169

                                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    How could I ever get away with that after so many years of carrying water for AOC and Bernie Sanders?

                                    You think I’d risk getting kicked out of the local BLM chapter just to impress you?

                                    Your emotes are homogenous in their valence. (That sentence was for you 89th).

                                    And you know emotes are how to establish social credibility.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                      #170

                                      Revenge? Nah, I'd like to see a reckoning.

                                      Some people are quite comfortable with a biased justice system, where some are favored and some are persecuted based on political affiliation. I am not.

                                      Some people are comfortable with questionable elections, as long as their candidate wins or their hated candidate loses. I am not.

                                      Some people are comfortable looking down their nose at normal Americans, who long to see their country returned to Reagan's vision of a shining city on a hill. I am not.

                                      Some people are quite happy with bloated bills that preserve Wall Street tax breaks, while simultaneously unleashing a new ravaging horde of tax collectors on the poor and middle class. I am not.

                                      Some people will support the election of a dementia patient to the most powerful position on the planet, if it slakes their thirst for political blood. I do not.

                                      And if it takes introducing a catalyst in the soup of the Washington Swamp, to shake the foundations of the current banana republic, to try to corral inflation, secure the border, kill CRT in the schools and let the military get back to its job, rather than sensitivity training...Why, yes. I'm for that.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #171

                                        If true, why were Trump's attorneys not permitted to watch the raid search? Why were they locked out of the building?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Improviso
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                                          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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