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  • George KG Offline
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    This author, writing in the NYT clearly has no idea what the Supreme Court is, nor what its role is supposed to be.,

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    One among three

    By David Leonhardt

    The Supreme Court has lately looked like the most powerful part of the federal government, with the final word on abortion, gun laws, climate policy, voting rights and more.

    But the founders did not intend for the court to have such a dominant role. They viewed the judiciary as merely one branch of government. They gave Congress and the president, as well as state governments, various ways to check the court’s power and even undo the effects of rulings.

    Two big examples have emerged this summer, following the court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. In Kansas, residents voted overwhelmingly this week to keep abortion rights as part of the state’s constitution. And in Congress, advocates for same-sex marriage are trying to pass a bill to protect it, worried that the court may soon restrict marriage rights as well.

    These developments offer a reminder about the limits of the Supreme Court’s power: Political progressives and moderates who are alarmed about the current court — the combination of its aggressiveness and the relative youth of its conservative members — have many options for confronting it.

    Some options are fairly radical, like changing the size of the court or passing a law declaring any subject to be off limits from Supreme Court review (both of which, to be fair, have happened in previous centuries). Other options are more straightforward. They involve the basic tools of democratic politics: winning over public opinion and winning elections.

    Larry Kramer, a former dean of Stanford Law School, argues that many progressives have made the mistake of paying relatively little attention to this strategy in recent decades. They have instead relied on courts to deliver victories for civil rights and other policies. That tactic worked under the liberal Supreme Court of the 1950s and 1960s and even sometimes under the more conservative court of recent decades. But under the current court, it will no longer work.

    The founders did not design the court to be the final arbiter of American politics, anyway. At the state level, progressives still have the ability to protect abortion rights, so long as they can persuade enough voters — as happened in Kansas this week. At the federal level, Congress has more authority to defy court decisions than many people realize.

    “If you want a better government, you have to actively get yourself engaged in creating it. And that you do through democratic politics if you want it to be a democracy,” Kramer recently said on Ezra Klein’s podcast. “You try and persuade, and if you do, the country follows you.”

    The same-sex marriage bill is so intriguing because it is a rare recent instance of Congress acting as a check and balance on the Supreme Court, just as the founders envisioned and the Constitution allows.

    When the court overturns a specific law, Congress can often pass a new law, written differently, that accomplishes many of the same goals. Congress took this approach with civil rights starting in the 1980s, including with the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which made it easier for workers to sue for pay discrimination. The law was an explicit response to a Supreme Court ruling against Ledbetter.

    More recently, however, Congress has been too polarized and gridlocked to respond to court decisions. As a result, the courts have tended to dominate federal policy, by default.

    But after the court’s abortion decision in June contained language that seemed as if it might threaten same-sex marriage rights, House Democrats quickly proposed a marriage bill that would defang any future court decision. The court could still issue a ruling allowing states to stop performing same-sex marriages. But the House bill would require one state to recognize another state’s marriage. Two women or men who married in, say, California would still be legally married in South Carolina even if it stopped performing same-sex weddings.

    Celebrations in New York after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage in 2015.Sam Hodgson for The New York Times
    Initially, the House bill seemed as if it might be a political exercise, intended to force Republicans in swing districts to take a tough vote. Instead, the bill passed easily, 267 to 157, with all 220 Democrats and 47 Republicans voting yes.

    In the Senate, where 60 votes are needed to overcome a filibuster, the bill’s prospects remain unclear. For now, the bill has the support of all 50 senators aligned with the Democratic Party and four or five Republicans. My colleague Annie Karni says that Democratic leaders plan to hold a vote on the bill in the coming weeks.

    No wonder: According to a recent Gallup poll, 71 percent of Americans support same-sex marriage.

    Even if it fails to pass the Senate, the bill may prove consequential. It has set a precedent, and a similar bill seems likely to be on the legislative agenda any time Democrats control Congress. The House vote, by itself, also has the potential to influence the Supreme Court by demonstrating that a decision overturning same-sex marriage rights would be out of step with the views of many Republicans.

    I recognize that progressives still face obstacles to achieving their goals through Congress. The Senate has a built-in bias toward rural, conservative states. The House suffers from gerrymandering (although this year’s districts don’t actually give Republicans a big advantage). And the Supreme Court has made it easier for states to pass voting restrictions.

    Yet political change is rarely easy. Religious conservatives spent decades building a movement to change the country’s abortion laws and endured many disappointments and defeats along the way.

    If progressives want to slow climate change, reduce economic and racial inequality, protect L.G.B.T. rights and more, the current Supreme Court has not rendered them powerless. If they can win more elections, the Constitution offers many ways to accomplish their goals.

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    What he got right: "The founders did not design the court to be the final arbiter of American politics, anyway. At the state level, progressives still have the ability to protect abortion rights, so long as they can persuade enough voters — as happened in Kansas this week."

    Repeating the mantra, "This is what democracy looks like."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Not a bad idea to brush up on Marbury v. Madison.

      The author gets many things right, particularly about affecting changes through elections, but I would reword this sentence: "At the federal level, Congress has more authority to defy court decisions amend to clarify legislation than many people realize."

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        Not a bad idea to brush up on Marbury v. Madison.

        The author gets many things right, particularly about affecting changes through elections, but I would reword this sentence: "At the federal level, Congress has more authority to defy court decisions amend to clarify legislation than many people realize."

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        @Axtremus Marbury v Madison is not the appropriate analogy. That decision established, out of whole cloth, the precedent that the Supreme Court decides what is the law and what is not.

        "The Court's landmark decision established that the U.S. Constitution is actual law, not just a statement of political principles and ideals, and helped define the boundary between the constitutionally separate executive and judicial branches of the federal government."

        This is what SCOTUS did with Dobbs. It ruled (as I posted earlier) that the "right" to abortion does not exist, either in enumerated or unenumerated ways in the Constitution. Dobbs does not make abortion illegal, it simply says that it's not a right. If the republic wants to make it a law, fine. Similarly, marriage is not a right in the Constitution.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG Offline
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          Here's the White House Spokesperson discussing the overturning of Roe.

          The amount of idiocy in this is jaw-dropping.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Weird to think of Dobbs as a Scotus power grab. Love it or hate it, it’s rather the opposite.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Weird to think of Dobbs as a Scotus power grab. Love it or hate it, it’s rather the opposite.

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              @jon-nyc said in "Defying the Supreme Court":

              Weird to think of Dobbs as a Scotus power grab. Love it or hate it, it’s rather the opposite.

              Exactly.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                Here's the White House Spokesperson discussing the overturning of Roe.

                The amount of idiocy in this is jaw-dropping.

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                @George-K said in "Defying the Supreme Court":

                Here's the White House Spokesperson discussing the overturning of Roe.

                The amount of idiocy in this is jaw-dropping.

                It really is. I feel like everyone could use a good government and civics 101 class.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Axtremus Marbury v Madison is not the appropriate analogy. That decision established, out of whole cloth, the precedent that the Supreme Court decides what is the law and what is not.

                  "The Court's landmark decision established that the U.S. Constitution is actual law, not just a statement of political principles and ideals, and helped define the boundary between the constitutionally separate executive and judicial branches of the federal government."

                  This is what SCOTUS did with Dobbs. It ruled (as I posted earlier) that the "right" to abortion does not exist, either in enumerated or unenumerated ways in the Constitution. Dobbs does not make abortion illegal, it simply says that it's not a right. If the republic wants to make it a law, fine. Similarly, marriage is not a right in the Constitution.

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                  @George-K said in "Defying the Supreme Court":

                  @Axtremus Marbury v Madison is not the appropriate analogy.

                  I cited Marbury v. Madison not for analogy but as an important consideration for discussing balance of power and difference of roles between the legislative branch and the judicial branch, which core of the Leonhardt article you quoted in the opening post.

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