Dewey's post
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@89th said in Dewey's post:
I am sad I missed what Copper wrote
I didn't save it, but it was only 3 lines, something like this:
What a rotten post.
Most people got along ok with Larry.
Those that did not were active participants in the brawl.
That's about it.
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Imagine if Dewey had gone public at the time with his fantasies of calling in a swat team to get back at Larry. We would have understood the context and laughed at it. It would have been shameful and pathetic to threaten legal action, which is why at the time, Dewey kept it to fantasy. Then in this grave-crapping post, he drags it out as a piece of rhetorical flair to impress on the gullible masses how severe the situation really was.
A primary theme of the left is, as always, to make everybody else responsible for their own emotional over-reactions. The hatred from those mediocrities on Facebook and over the fence should be reserved for maybe parents who abused you. Not internet warriors you chose to do battle with.
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Imagine if Dewey had gone public at the time with his fantasies of calling in a swat team to get back at Larry. We would have understood the context and laughed at it. It would have been shameful and pathetic to threaten legal action, which is why at the time, Dewey kept it to fantasy. Then in this grave-crapping post, he drags it out as a piece of rhetorical flair to impress on the gullible masses how severe the situation really was.
A primary theme of the left is, as always, to make everybody else responsible for their own emotional over-reactions. The hatred from those mediocrities on Facebook and over the fence should be reserved for maybe parents who abused you. Not internet warriors you chose to do battle with.
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
Then in this grave-crapping post, he drags it out as a piece of rhetorical flair to impress on the gullible masses how severe the situation really was.
Love the sinner. Hate the sin.
I suppose that would be too much to ask a "man of the cloth", huh?
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@Horace said in Dewey's post:
Then in this grave-crapping post, he drags it out as a piece of rhetorical flair to impress on the gullible masses how severe the situation really was.
Love the sinner. Hate the sin.
I suppose that would be too much to ask a "man of the cloth", huh?
@Improviso said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
Then in this grave-crapping post, he drags it out as a piece of rhetorical flair to impress on the gullible masses how severe the situation really was.
Love the sinner. Hate the sin.
I suppose that would be too much to ask a "man of the cloth", huh?
I'm very sure people in his position should not make claims about the religious beliefs of others, immediately after they die or otherwise.
When people fail tests of character, they often do so publicly and proudly. It's a variation on the theme that character is shown by your actions when you think nobody is watching. People feel nobody is watching, as long as they're a good soldier in a war of good vs evil.
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Luke 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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The Matthew 7 version...
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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The Matthew 7 version...
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I don’t agree with all the shit being thrown at Dewey. I didn’t agree with him posting what he did when he did, but he had his reasons.
This situation isn’t as simple as him being the bad guy.
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Luke 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Don’t you start a god damned Back to the Bible Hour over this.
I doubt if anyone actually cares how adept you are at regurgitating chapter and verse.
Unless of course you want to come across as annoying about it as the narcissistic pastor whose inappropriate bullshit gave rise to this thread.
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Read 'em and weep, my friend. A little Bible should neither scare nor hurt you.
If you're talking religion, use not opinion, but source material.
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Read 'em and weep, my friend. A little Bible should neither scare nor hurt you.
If you're talking religion, use not opinion, but source material.
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This should scare you. DON'T FUCKING CALL ME BALDY!
2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”
I was only joking
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This should scare you. DON'T FUCKING CALL ME BALDY!
2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”
Sod off,
BaldyBaldrick! -
This should scare you. DON'T FUCKING CALL ME BALDY!
2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
This should scare you. DON'T FUCKING CALL ME BALDY!
2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”
I know the story. If you wish, I can break down the situation and probably why this was done. Hopefully, I'll get it right.
Want an early Sunday School lesson?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
This should scare you. DON'T FUCKING CALL ME BALDY!
2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”
I know the story. If you wish, I can break down the situation and probably why this was done. Hopefully, I'll get it right.
Want an early Sunday School lesson?
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
This should scare you. DON'T FUCKING CALL ME BALDY!
2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”
I know the story. If you wish, I can break down the situation and probably why this was done. Hopefully, I'll get it right.
Want an early Sunday School lesson?
Sorry, I don't think the Bible is so simplistic a text that its stories can be distilled down into "this is what this one means." In fact I'd go so far as to say viewing the Bible in those terms is precisely why there's a crisis of belief in Western society.
It's not that we've become Godless heathens—we've always been that, nothing's changed there. What has changed, is that churches stopped doing what they used to do, which was attempt to explain the whole of the Bible. It was open-mindedness, not rigidity, that helped Christianity flourish through the centuries. No surprise at all that once they started down a path of linear messaging, some people stopped listening.
But since this is a crap-on-Dewey thread I'll leave us all the option to return to that.
Please love yourself.
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Nah, I'll post an answer to your thought...I agree the Bible has to be taken as a whole, but where we have gotten ourselves into trouble, is when we ignore the specific teachings. I know Catholics or others can be cafeteria in their beliefs, but what's in there is in there for a reason.
In this specific instance, it's OT and we do live in an Age of Grace, but there are still lessons we can learn. You have to back up a bit to learn why the prophet was where he was at and what he was doing, to understand why the bears attacked the children.
That lesson revolves around the Wrath of God and Judgement of those who mock His Word. Folks nowadays concentrate too much on the Love of God, while ignoring the fact that Jesus spoke more on Hell than on Heaven. Heaven is real. Hell is real. And so is the Judgement. People forget that God is Alpha and Omega, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
So, when I do read something from the OT, I keep in mind it is the same God. And while you're right about the bird's eye view, remember the smaller illustrations help make it up.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
This should scare you. DON'T FUCKING CALL ME BALDY!
2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”
I know the story. If you wish, I can break down the situation and probably why this was done. Hopefully, I'll get it right.
Want an early Sunday School lesson?
Sorry, I don't think the Bible is so simplistic a text that its stories can be distilled down into "this is what this one means." In fact I'd go so far as to say viewing the Bible in those terms is precisely why there's a crisis of belief in Western society.
It's not that we've become Godless heathens—we've always been that, nothing's changed there. What has changed, is that churches stopped doing what they used to do, which was attempt to explain the whole of the Bible. It was open-mindedness, not rigidity, that helped Christianity flourish through the centuries. No surprise at all that once they started down a path of linear messaging, some people stopped listening.
But since this is a crap-on-Dewey thread I'll leave us all the option to return to that.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Dewey's post:
But since this is a crap-on-Dewey thread I'll leave us all the option to return to that
It’s a thread to discuss his post about Larry. That’s why I titled it Dewey’s post.
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Nah, I'll post an answer to your thought...I agree the Bible has to be taken as a whole, but where we have gotten ourselves into trouble, is when we ignore the specific teachings. I know Catholics or others can be cafeteria in their beliefs, but what's in there is in there for a reason.
In this specific instance, it's OT and we do live in an Age of Grace, but there are still lessons we can learn. You have to back up a bit to learn why the prophet was where he was at and what he was doing, to understand why the bears attacked the children.
That lesson revolves around the Wrath of God and Judgement of those who mock His Word. Folks nowadays concentrate too much on the Love of God, while ignoring the fact that Jesus spoke more on Hell than on Heaven. Heaven is real. Hell is real. And so is the Judgement. People forget that God is Alpha and Omega, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
So, when I do read something from the OT, I keep in mind it is the same God. And while you're right about the bird's eye view, remember the smaller illustrations help make it up.
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
Nah, I'll post an answer to your thought...I agree the Bible has to be taken as a whole, but where we have gotten ourselves into trouble, is when we ignore the specific teachings. I know Catholics or others can be cafeteria in their beliefs, but what's in there is in there for a reason.
Well, that's sort of what I'm saying. You seem to view it as "you should ignore everything else and focus on this part, because it's the only part that matters." What you called the "specific teachings."
I don't personally think it works that way. If we throw out those other parts, there's no way to learn everything we're supposed to.
Look, "A Tale of Two Cities" isn't about two cities. It's using two cities as a backdrop to explore ideas about values, where societies go wrong and what can be their redemption.
"Animal Farm" isn't about an animal farm. It's about what happens when you follow communism to its natural conclusion.
These are books written by some very smart people. They're multi-layered, and the lessons take a bit to unpack.
The Bible is at the very least a distillation of Western history and culture. It contains lessons about social structures, psychology, morality and spirituality that took us forever to figure out. And that's just the material side of the book. If you also view it as a holy book gifted to us through divine intervention, then you have that on top of everything else.
Because of what it is and how it came about, I refuse to believe that it can somehow be distilled into something that's somehow more straightforward than a Dickens novel.
In this specific instance, it's OT and we do live in an Age of Grace, but there are still lessons we can learn. You have to back up a bit to learn why the prophet was where he was at and what he was doing, to understand why the bears attacked the children.
That lesson revolves around the Wrath of God and Judgement of those who mock His Word. Folks nowadays concentrate too much on the Love of God, while ignoring the fact that Jesus spoke more on Hell than on Heaven. Heaven is real. Hell is real. And so is the Judgement. People forget that God is Alpha and Omega, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
So, when I do read something from the OT, I keep in mind it is the same God. And while you're right about the bird's eye view, remember the smaller illustrations help make it up.
For millennia, stories are how we convey ideas and lessons that are too deep and complicated to be explained in a straightforward way.
As far as stories go, any time your suspension of disbelief is working overtime, it's a good indication that there's something important to be learned there.
Why is it freaking bears? And what does that have to do with calling someone baldy?
I'd point out that the bears didn't come after the kids on their Judgement Day. It happened after some miscreants mocked him.
What that tells me is that a big driver in our broken world is cause and effect. And sure, we're rational so we can understand simple devices like pulleys and levers, but not something so complicated as social consequences. Being a shithead to others (or, if you like, mocking God and his chosen) will have consequences far beyond your ability to game out in your head, often times with more severity than what you might think is appropriate. Some things that look like hell on earth are really calamities we brought upon ourselves. So be careful how you treat people/God's chosen/whatever else you'd like to tack on to that. Because the consequences aren't just found out on Judgement Day: they're all around you, all the time.
But that's just me. I'm not a biblical scholar and I don't go to mass as often as I should.
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@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
Nah, I'll post an answer to your thought...I agree the Bible has to be taken as a whole, but where we have gotten ourselves into trouble, is when we ignore the specific teachings. I know Catholics or others can be cafeteria in their beliefs, but what's in there is in there for a reason.
Well, that's sort of what I'm saying. You seem to view it as "you should ignore everything else and focus on this part, because it's the only part that matters." What you called the "specific teachings."
I don't personally think it works that way. If we throw out those other parts, there's no way to learn everything we're supposed to.
Look, "A Tale of Two Cities" isn't about two cities. It's using two cities as a backdrop to explore ideas about values, where societies go wrong and what can be their redemption.
"Animal Farm" isn't about an animal farm. It's about what happens when you follow communism to its natural conclusion.
These are books written by some very smart people. They're multi-layered, and the lessons take a bit to unpack.
The Bible is at the very least a distillation of Western history and culture. It contains lessons about social structures, psychology, morality and spirituality that took us forever to figure out. And that's just the material side of the book. If you also view it as a holy book gifted to us through divine intervention, then you have that on top of everything else.
Because of what it is and how it came about, I refuse to believe that it can somehow be distilled into something that's somehow more straightforward than a Dickens novel.
In this specific instance, it's OT and we do live in an Age of Grace, but there are still lessons we can learn. You have to back up a bit to learn why the prophet was where he was at and what he was doing, to understand why the bears attacked the children.
That lesson revolves around the Wrath of God and Judgement of those who mock His Word. Folks nowadays concentrate too much on the Love of God, while ignoring the fact that Jesus spoke more on Hell than on Heaven. Heaven is real. Hell is real. And so is the Judgement. People forget that God is Alpha and Omega, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
So, when I do read something from the OT, I keep in mind it is the same God. And while you're right about the bird's eye view, remember the smaller illustrations help make it up.
For millennia, stories are how we convey ideas and lessons that are too deep and complicated to be explained in a straightforward way.
As far as stories go, any time your suspension of disbelief is working overtime, it's a good indication that there's something important to be learned there.
Why is it freaking bears? And what does that have to do with calling someone baldy?
I'd point out that the bears didn't come after the kids on their Judgement Day. It happened after some miscreants mocked him.
What that tells me is that a big driver in our broken world is cause and effect. And sure, we're rational so we can understand simple devices like pulleys and levers, but not something so complicated as social consequences. Being a shithead to others (or, if you like, mocking God and his chosen) will have consequences far beyond your ability to game out in your head, often times with more severity than what you might think is appropriate. Some things that look like hell on earth are really calamities we brought upon ourselves. So be careful how you treat people/God's chosen/whatever else you'd like to tack on to that. Because the consequences aren't just found out on Judgement Day: they're all around you, all the time.
But that's just me. I'm not a biblical scholar and I don't go to mass as often as I should.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Dewey's post:
Why is it freaking bears? And what does that have to do with calling someone baldy?
I'd point out that the bears didn't come after the kids on their Judgement Day. It happened after some miscreants mocked him.
What that tells me is that a big driver in our broken world is cause and effect. And sure, we're rational so we can understand simple devices like pulleys and levers, but not something so complicated as social consequences. Being a shithead to others (or, if you like, mocking God and his chosen) will have consequences far beyond your ability to game out in your head, often times with more severity than what you might think is appropriate. Some things that look like hell on earth are really calamities we brought upon ourselves. So be careful how you treat people/God's chosen/whatever else you'd like to tack on to that. Because the consequences aren't just found out on Judgement Day: they're all around you, all the time.
“Karma”
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Dewey's post:
Why is it freaking bears? And what does that have to do with calling someone baldy?
I'd point out that the bears didn't come after the kids on their Judgement Day. It happened after some miscreants mocked him.
What that tells me is that a big driver in our broken world is cause and effect. And sure, we're rational so we can understand simple devices like pulleys and levers, but not something so complicated as social consequences. Being a shithead to others (or, if you like, mocking God and his chosen) will have consequences far beyond your ability to game out in your head, often times with more severity than what you might think is appropriate. Some things that look like hell on earth are really calamities we brought upon ourselves. So be careful how you treat people/God's chosen/whatever else you'd like to tack on to that. Because the consequences aren't just found out on Judgement Day: they're all around you, all the time.
“Karma”
@Axtremus said in Dewey's post:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Dewey's post:
Why is it freaking bears? And what does that have to do with calling someone baldy?
I'd point out that the bears didn't come after the kids on their Judgement Day. It happened after some miscreants mocked him.
What that tells me is that a big driver in our broken world is cause and effect. And sure, we're rational so we can understand simple devices like pulleys and levers, but not something so complicated as social consequences. Being a shithead to others (or, if you like, mocking God and his chosen) will have consequences far beyond your ability to game out in your head, often times with more severity than what you might think is appropriate. Some things that look like hell on earth are really calamities we brought upon ourselves. So be careful how you treat people/God's chosen/whatever else you'd like to tack on to that. Because the consequences aren't just found out on Judgement Day: they're all around you, all the time.
“Karma”
Not exactly. They didn't just mock any old dude on the street.
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@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
I like @dewey. He was also nice to me, was genuine, and seemed a person who has strong beliefs, which were generally quite opposite from Larry. I did not realize that he and Larry were once good friends.
One of the things that the forum board has done well is allow people to express their opinions. If someone has been wronged by someone, I have no problem with them speaking their thoughts and feelings.
Making accusations, including about the deceased’s belief in his religion? You have no problem with that? That surprises me TG.
It is not that I dont have a problem with it, but I can understand his frustration. Larry said some stuff to me that almost made me delete this forum board, and he said worst things to others. I ultimately figured Larry was just playing a internet character, and that he really was a big teddy bear. Keeping that in my mind, I just moved forward with that thinking. And, in the end, I think I got along "okay" with him.
I wasn't intending a referendum on your feelings about Larry. I was wondering about your feelings about a man of the cloth, a self described divinely touched True Believer, holding a grudge over online arguments, and claiming one of his old adversaries, soon after the man died, didn't believe in the religion they nominally share. That's the part that I was wondering whether you have a problem with.
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
I like @dewey. He was also nice to me, was genuine, and seemed a person who has strong beliefs, which were generally quite opposite from Larry. I did not realize that he and Larry were once good friends.
One of the things that the forum board has done well is allow people to express their opinions. If someone has been wronged by someone, I have no problem with them speaking their thoughts and feelings.
Making accusations, including about the deceased’s belief in his religion? You have no problem with that? That surprises me TG.
It is not that I dont have a problem with it, but I can understand his frustration. Larry said some stuff to me that almost made me delete this forum board, and he said worst things to others. I ultimately figured Larry was just playing a internet character, and that he really was a big teddy bear. Keeping that in my mind, I just moved forward with that thinking. And, in the end, I think I got along "okay" with him.
I wasn't intending a referendum on your feelings about Larry. I was wondering about your feelings about a man of the cloth, a self described divinely touched True Believer, holding a grudge over online arguments, and claiming one of his old adversaries, soon after the man died, didn't believe in the religion they nominally share. That's the part that I was wondering whether you have a problem with.
I dont a problem with it. People react differently, and obviously Dewey had some pretty strong feelings about his interactions with Larry (most of which I probably dont know about). I dont know the Bible well (actually not at all LOL), so I dont know what it says about talking about someone after they die.
Not the way I would have reacted, but again, we are all different. I dont think that Larry cares, and if it helps Dewey move on, then it is good for him.
I have my own thoughts, feelings, and interactions with Larry and what Dewey wrote doesn't change that - either in a positive or negative sense. It also does not change my feeling about Dewey.
And lets be honest, if the situation were reversed, I do not think Larry would have been all lovey-dovey towards Dewey in a memory post.
