Meanwhile, in Atlanta...
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This happens 5 weeks ago? You never hear about it.
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And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
And should be. What you have here is a man who has already fought and stole an officer's non-lethal weapon and apparently would not drop it and comply. So your options are either to shoot him or to approach, taking the chance then that he will taze you and THEN steal your gun. You have every reason to believe this guy will, given the opportunity, use deadly force. I don't see how the cops really had a choice.
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@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
And should be. What you have here is a man who has already fought and stole an officer's non-lethal weapon and apparently would not drop it and comply. So your options are either to shoot him or to approach, taking the chance then that he will taze you and THEN steal your gun. You have every reason to believe this guy will, given the opportunity, use deadly force. I don't see how the cops really had a choice.
@Mik said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
And should be. What yo have here is a man who has already fought and stole an officer's non-lethal weapon and apparently would not drop it and comply. So your options are either to shoot him or to approach, taking the chance then that he will taze you and THEN steal your gun. You have every reason to believe this guy will, given the opportunity, use deadly force. I don't see how the cops really had a choice.
So other people will judge his free will choices without taking into consideration his will to live, they only see that no matter what the question is, the answer is racism.
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We have, thanks to all the ass kissing that's been going on, created a situation that no matter what crime a black man is committing, if you try to stop him you'll lose your job, and if you end up having to defend yourself the other blacks along with the nut job white contingent will burn and sack the city.
It's past time to thin the herd.
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It will be interesting to watch the media suppress all stories of "woulda never happened if the police could have done their jobs". I imagine such anecdotes will be plentiful, but of course pop culture will do what it can to keep them from going viral.
Who I worry most about is the ultra-compassionate people who are behind the call to disarm and defund police. Their emotions are at peril if they ever hear of tragic anecdotes which were the result of these policies they were so strongly in favor of.
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@89th said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
A man fighting cops, stealing their taser, running away and turning and pointing the taser at the cops...gee, what do you think would happen if YOU did that, black or white or any color?
Did you watch the video George posted?
@Loki said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
@89th said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
A man fighting cops, stealing their taser, running away and turning and pointing the taser at the cops...gee, what do you think would happen if YOU did that, black or white or any color?
Did you watch the video George posted?
Yup. I stand by my analysis. The dude was wasted (couldn’t even remember he said he drank margaritas even though he told the cop 2 minutes earlier). He made a fateful decision to fight the cop, steal his weapon (taser), run and point it at the cop and shoot it. The cop had a millisecond to respond and likely relied on his training to pull his weapon and fire. If the dude was white, this wouldn’t even be a story. Heck, it would be used for future police trainings.
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Autopsy shows he was shot in the back (twice), causing the death. It's being ruled a homicide.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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Of course. Homicide is death at the hands of another. It can be murder manslaughter, an accident, etc.
As for shooting the guy in the back...Some jurisdictions allow a cop to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back, some don't. In this case, the guy was running away, but fired the tazer at the cop. In a see/shoot situation, the training is to shoot at the first sign of a weapon being pointed (not even discharged) at you.
These decisions are made in fractions of a second. Training takes over. There is no time to think.
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I don't know how to put this, so I'll just say it.
Damn good shot. Running after someone, and then firing while running, I'm amazed he could come anywhere close to his target.IOW - like in the movies, where someone on horseback pulls out a rifle and actually hits a target while the horse is galloping. Seems next to impossible.
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I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
@Catseye3 said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I do believe that his anticipation of martyrdom was an ingredient in the drunken thought soup that made him do all that. The punching, the stealing of the weapon and the (exaggerated? I thought so...) pointing of it at the cop was a grand baiting gesture.
Suicide by cop is not new, but the martyrdom is.
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@Catseye3 said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I do believe that his anticipation of martyrdom was an ingredient in the drunken thought soup that made him do all that. The punching, the stealing of the weapon and the (exaggerated? I thought so...) pointing of it at the cop was a grand baiting gesture.
Suicide by cop is not new, but the martyrdom is.
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I saw that as well. I suppose you can get shot in the back while turning to shoot a Taser. It'll be interesting what charges, if any, are brought against the cop.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I don't know how to put this, so I'll just say it.
Damn good shot. Running after someone, and then firing while running, I'm amazed he could come anywhere close to his target.IOW - like in the movies, where someone on horseback pulls out a rifle and actually hits a target while the horse is galloping. Seems next to impossible.
@Rainman said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
I don't know how to put this, so I'll just say it.
Damn good shot. Running after someone, and then firing while running, I'm amazed he could come anywhere close to his target.IOW - like in the movies, where someone on horseback pulls out a rifle and actually hits a target while the horse is galloping. Seems next to impossible.
I said the same thing.
That's not an easy shot to make.
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Cops arrest over 27,000 people a day and kill 3. While that is a lot and high for most countries it’s not like every cop is a killer.
I still think that killing someone is a tough line to cross. I’m still trying to find what percent of cops go an entire career without killing anyone. Anyone know?
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@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I saw that as well. I suppose you can get shot in the back while turning to shoot a Taser. It'll be interesting what charges, if any, are brought against the cop.
@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I saw that as well. I suppose you can get shot in the back while turning to shoot a Taser. It'll be interesting what charges, if any, are brought against the cop.
Interesting case happened down here a few years ago. A guy was pumping gas into his truck and a black teenager attempted to rob him. Instead if handing over his wallet, the guy at the gas pump pulled his own gun. The teenager had already started the turn to run, when he was shot multiple times.
Brought up on charges, the jury acquitted the man when shown the angle of the entrance and exit wounds, coupled with a real time video of the shooting. Things that look really bad in slo-mo are very different in real time.
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Autopsy shows he was shot in the back (twice), causing the death. It's being ruled a homicide.
@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
Autopsy shows he was shot in the back (twice), causing the death. It's being ruled a homicide.
This wasn’t a “Walter Scott” shooting in the back...the guy turned and fired a weapon at the cop. Justified reaction by the cop. Case closed, IMO.
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From my very outside perspective, it appears that the policeman acted, maybe not 100% correctly, but acted in a way that should not lead to charges.
As @Jolly says, things happen in milliseconds. The guy tried to beat up two policeman, grabbed whatever he could, took off running, and turned towards them and pointed it at them.
Sad all around.
