Meanwhile, in Atlanta...
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wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 17:34 last edited by
@Horace Well there's that. But even if you aren't spoonfed the oppression story growing up, a lot of black communities just have a ton more shit to wade through than white communities. I think the reasons for that are incredibly complicated, but the more you're stressed out, the harder it is to be willing to be wrong about how you see things. So, racism.
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Maybe more can be learned elsewhere and I'm not finding it, but what seems to be known is that Brooks was asleep (passed out) in the drive-through, two cops came and gave him a sobriety test, which he failed. So at that point at least, he was in police custody. Then a drunk man appropriates a taser from one of the cops and takes off running, then turns and threatens the chasing cop with the taser, and the cop shoots him.
Doesn't it seem like there are parts of this story that don't quite hang together?
I'm not trying to build a case here. If what we know is what happened, then so be it. It just occurs to me that from what we know, either Brooks was an unusually alert drunk or the cops were half asleep.
wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 18:24 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
Maybe more can be learned elsewhere and I'm not finding it, but what seems to be known is that Brooks was asleep (passed out) in the drive-through, two cops came and gave him a sobriety test, which he failed. So at that point at least, he was in police custody. Then a drunk man appropriates a taser from one of the cops and takes off running, then turns and threatens the chasing cop with the taser, and the cop shoots him.
Doesn't it seem like there are parts of this story that don't quite hang together?
I'm not trying to build a case here. If what we know is what happened, then so be it. It just occurs to me that from what we know, either Brooks was an unusually alert drunk or the cops were half asleep.
I've seen lots of guys that could hold a conversation so drunk they staggered. If you watch the video, the cops kept asking him questions and he lied right and left. It's a routine DUI stop with a cooperative subject.
Cooperative right to the point when the cops started to cuff him and put him in the cruiser. Then, all hell broke loose.
If the guy would have even just ran, he would not have been shot. It would have been a nasty chase, and most likely ended in a tazing.
No...cops are trained, see the weapon, shoot the person. It's a split-second decision, predicated on being tried by 12 or carried by 6. And any cop wants to go home at the end of his shift. That's why, if you are ever involved in a righteous defense, put the weapon on the ground or preferably back in the holster.
Do not point a weapon at a cop.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 18:52 last edited by
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
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And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 18:57 last edited by@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
The firing was strictly politics. Pander to the mob, keep the lid on...
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wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 19:15 last edited by
This happens 5 weeks ago? You never hear about it.
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And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 21:04 last edited by Mik@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
And should be. What you have here is a man who has already fought and stole an officer's non-lethal weapon and apparently would not drop it and comply. So your options are either to shoot him or to approach, taking the chance then that he will taze you and THEN steal your gun. You have every reason to believe this guy will, given the opportunity, use deadly force. I don't see how the cops really had a choice.
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@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
And should be. What you have here is a man who has already fought and stole an officer's non-lethal weapon and apparently would not drop it and comply. So your options are either to shoot him or to approach, taking the chance then that he will taze you and THEN steal your gun. You have every reason to believe this guy will, given the opportunity, use deadly force. I don't see how the cops really had a choice.
wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 21:10 last edited by@Mik said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
And despite the training, the police officer was fired. I’ll bet you that the police union will be over this in a heartbeat.
And should be. What yo have here is a man who has already fought and stole an officer's non-lethal weapon and apparently would not drop it and comply. So your options are either to shoot him or to approach, taking the chance then that he will taze you and THEN steal your gun. You have every reason to believe this guy will, given the opportunity, use deadly force. I don't see how the cops really had a choice.
So other people will judge his free will choices without taking into consideration his will to live, they only see that no matter what the question is, the answer is racism.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 21:50 last edited by
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wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 22:55 last edited by
We have, thanks to all the ass kissing that's been going on, created a situation that no matter what crime a black man is committing, if you try to stop him you'll lose your job, and if you end up having to defend yourself the other blacks along with the nut job white contingent will burn and sack the city.
It's past time to thin the herd.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2020, 23:54 last edited by
Any anarchist is absolutely loving this right now.
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wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 00:22 last edited by
It will be interesting to watch the media suppress all stories of "woulda never happened if the police could have done their jobs". I imagine such anecdotes will be plentiful, but of course pop culture will do what it can to keep them from going viral.
Who I worry most about is the ultra-compassionate people who are behind the call to disarm and defund police. Their emotions are at peril if they ever hear of tragic anecdotes which were the result of these policies they were so strongly in favor of.
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@89th said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
A man fighting cops, stealing their taser, running away and turning and pointing the taser at the cops...gee, what do you think would happen if YOU did that, black or white or any color?
Did you watch the video George posted?
wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 01:19 last edited by@Loki said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
@89th said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
A man fighting cops, stealing their taser, running away and turning and pointing the taser at the cops...gee, what do you think would happen if YOU did that, black or white or any color?
Did you watch the video George posted?
Yup. I stand by my analysis. The dude was wasted (couldn’t even remember he said he drank margaritas even though he told the cop 2 minutes earlier). He made a fateful decision to fight the cop, steal his weapon (taser), run and point it at the cop and shoot it. The cop had a millisecond to respond and likely relied on his training to pull his weapon and fire. If the dude was white, this wouldn’t even be a story. Heck, it would be used for future police trainings.
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wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 22:06 last edited by
Autopsy shows he was shot in the back (twice), causing the death. It's being ruled a homicide.
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wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 22:20 last edited by
I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
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wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 22:21 last edited by
Of course. Homicide is death at the hands of another. It can be murder manslaughter, an accident, etc.
As for shooting the guy in the back...Some jurisdictions allow a cop to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back, some don't. In this case, the guy was running away, but fired the tazer at the cop. In a see/shoot situation, the training is to shoot at the first sign of a weapon being pointed (not even discharged) at you.
These decisions are made in fractions of a second. Training takes over. There is no time to think.
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wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 22:22 last edited by
I don't know how to put this, so I'll just say it.
Damn good shot. Running after someone, and then firing while running, I'm amazed he could come anywhere close to his target.IOW - like in the movies, where someone on horseback pulls out a rifle and actually hits a target while the horse is galloping. Seems next to impossible.
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I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 22:27 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I do believe that his anticipation of martyrdom was an ingredient in the drunken thought soup that made him do all that. The punching, the stealing of the weapon and the (exaggerated? I thought so...) pointing of it at the cop was a grand baiting gesture.
Suicide by cop is not new, but the martyrdom is.
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@Catseye3 said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
I saw that. The guy was reported as making threatening gestures with the taser while facing the cop, so how was he shot in the back?
I guess he was running away and aiming the taser back over his shoulder at the cop, like Annie Oakley.
Yeah, that's probably it.
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I do believe that his anticipation of martyrdom was an ingredient in the drunken thought soup that made him do all that. The punching, the stealing of the weapon and the (exaggerated? I thought so...) pointing of it at the cop was a grand baiting gesture.
Suicide by cop is not new, but the martyrdom is.
wrote on 15 Jun 2020, 22:33 last edited by@Horace said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
Did you watch the video? He was running away and yes turned to point the weapon at the cop.
I saw that as well. I suppose you can get shot in the back while turning to shoot a Taser. It'll be interesting what charges, if any, are brought against the cop.
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I don't know how to put this, so I'll just say it.
Damn good shot. Running after someone, and then firing while running, I'm amazed he could come anywhere close to his target.IOW - like in the movies, where someone on horseback pulls out a rifle and actually hits a target while the horse is galloping. Seems next to impossible.
wrote on 16 Jun 2020, 00:44 last edited by@Rainman said in Meanwhile, in Atlanta...:
I don't know how to put this, so I'll just say it.
Damn good shot. Running after someone, and then firing while running, I'm amazed he could come anywhere close to his target.IOW - like in the movies, where someone on horseback pulls out a rifle and actually hits a target while the horse is galloping. Seems next to impossible.
I said the same thing.
That's not an easy shot to make.