White House Redefines Recession
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@jon-nyc said in White House Redefines Recession:
And you would be wrong.
I can't access that board anymore.
You can search for this post, but you can't specify what I dodged? Are you not participating in this discussion in good faith? That would be shocking.
@Horace said in White House Redefines Recession:
@jon-nyc said in White House Redefines Recession:
And you would be wrong.
I can't access that board anymore.
You can search for this post, but you can't specify what I dodged? Are you not participating in this discussion in good faith? That would be shocking.
I was able to log in. Yes, we had a good discussion, at least from my side. You didn't understand my points then, and you won't now, though. I made several good ones.
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He has half a point. I very much remember the press sticking with the two quarter definition when both Bush administrations made the identical argument Biden is now.
What he’s missing, of course, is any commentary as to whether the right wing press went along with the GOP administration arguments at the time (hint: they did).
Does Mr Erickson think the RW press became propagandists in 90 and again in 2001? He’s oddly silent on that point.
@jon-nyc said in White House Redefines Recession:
He has half a point. I very much remember the press sticking with the two quarter definition when both Bush administrations made the identical argument Biden is now.
George - it’s nice that Reuters is being consistent.
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@jon-nyc said in White House Redefines Recession:
He has half a point. I very much remember the press sticking with the two quarter definition when both Bush administrations made the identical argument Biden is now.
George - it’s nice that Reuters is being consistent.
@jon-nyc said in White House Redefines Recession:
@jon-nyc said in White House Redefines Recession:
He has half a point. I very much remember the press sticking with the two quarter definition when both Bush administrations made the identical argument Biden is now.
George - it’s nice that Reuters is being consistent.
With no sense of what they said two years ago....
No, we're not in a recession, Biden administration tells U.S. voters
The U.S. economy is plagued by inflation and suffering from fallout from Russia's war in Ukraine - but it's not in recession. That's the message from White House officials.
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, economic adviser Brian Deese and Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo have spoken out in recent days ahead of data on Thursday that may show that gross domestic product (GDP) shrank from April to June. The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s GDP forecast suggests a 1.6% decline. That would mark the second quarter of GDP decline in a row.
While a broad rule of thumb holds that two consecutive quarters of GDP drops signal a recession, the strong U.S. job market means this may be the rare moment when that is not enough for economists to declare the world’s largest economy in recession.
The White House pushback against recession talk is about more than semantics. Talking about recession can become a self-fulfilling prophecy as businesses and consumers, concerned that tougher times are ahead, cut back on spending and investment plans.
Semantics didn't apply to Japan, apparently.
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One story was written by Reuters US, one by Reuters Japan. Could simply be that Japan (like, say, the UK) defines it as 2Q negative GDP growth.
@jon-nyc said in White House Redefines Recession:
One story was written by Reuters US, one by Reuters Japan. Could simply be that Japan (like, say, the UK) defines it as 2Q negative GDP growth.
Fair enough.
So, let's stay with one reporter. The economics reporter for Politico, Ben White:
"IOW, ignore what I said two years ago, it's 'vexing'."
My point is simple. You're right in that what defines a recession is more complex than simply two bad quarters, according to NEBR. Why haven't I been told that, until now?
Either Ben White is ignorant about what a recession is, or he was ignorant about what a recession is. In either case, how is it that he does economics for Politico?
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https://morningconsult.com/2022/07/13/recession-outlook-us-economy-data/
If perception is reality in politics, 65% of Americans do not agree with the Resident or Jon.
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Huge pop in the stock market after the hike. Let’s see how the market reacts tomorrow. If memory serves, the previous hike was received by immediate enthusiasm in stocks, followed by a crash the next day.
@Horace said in White House Redefines Recession:
Huge pop in the stock market after the hike. Let’s see how the market reacts tomorrow. If memory serves, the previous hike was received by immediate enthusiasm in stocks, followed by a crash the next day.
Today's increase in the US stock market was 100% due to President Biden. Tomorrows crash is due to things beyond his control. 555
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@Horace said in White House Redefines Recession:
Huge pop in the stock market after the hike. Let’s see how the market reacts tomorrow. If memory serves, the previous hike was received by immediate enthusiasm in stocks, followed by a crash the next day.
Today's increase in the US stock market was 100% due to President Biden. Tomorrows crash is due to things beyond his control. 555
@taiwan_girl perfect.
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@Horace said in White House Redefines Recession:
Huge pop in the stock market after the hike. Let’s see how the market reacts tomorrow. If memory serves, the previous hike was received by immediate enthusiasm in stocks, followed by a crash the next day.
Today's increase in the US stock market was 100% due to President Biden. Tomorrows crash is due to things beyond his control. 555
@taiwan_girl said in White House Redefines Recession:
@Horace said in White House Redefines Recession:
Huge pop in the stock market after the hike. Let’s see how the market reacts tomorrow. If memory serves, the previous hike was received by immediate enthusiasm in stocks, followed by a crash the next day.
Today's increase in the US stock market was 100% due to President Biden. Tomorrows crash is due to things beyond his control. 555
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@taiwan_girl said in White House Redefines Recession:
@Horace said in White House Redefines Recession:
Huge pop in the stock market after the hike. Let’s see how the market reacts tomorrow. If memory serves, the previous hike was received by immediate enthusiasm in stocks, followed by a crash the next day.
Today's increase in the US stock market was 100% due to President Biden. Tomorrows crash is due to things beyond his control. 555
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CNBC
GDP fell 0.9% in the second quarter, the second straight decline and a strong recession signal
CNN
US economy contracts again, fueling recession fears
FOX
US economy enters technical recession after growth tumbles 0.9% in the second quarter
NPR (lol)
U.S. economy just had a 2nd quarter of negative growth. Is it in a recession?
Newsweek (lol again)
U.S. GDP Update Live: Economy Enters Recession Under Biden
The Brad
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@Horace ???
@taiwan_girl said in White House Redefines Recession:
@Horace ???
It’s my prediction for the nasdaq after a competent president is at the helm.
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CNBC
GDP fell 0.9% in the second quarter, the second straight decline and a strong recession signal
CNN
US economy contracts again, fueling recession fears
FOX
US economy enters technical recession after growth tumbles 0.9% in the second quarter
NPR (lol)
U.S. economy just had a 2nd quarter of negative growth. Is it in a recession?
Newsweek (lol again)
U.S. GDP Update Live: Economy Enters Recession Under Biden
@LuFins-Dad said in White House Redefines Recession:
CNBC
GDP fell 0.9% in the second quarter, the second straight decline and a strong recession signal
CNN
US economy contracts again, fueling recession fears
FOX
US economy enters technical recession after growth tumbles 0.9% in the second quarter
NPR (lol)
U.S. economy just had a 2nd quarter of negative growth. Is it in a recession?
Newsweek (lol again)
U.S. GDP Update Live: Economy Enters Recession Under Biden
If it walks like a duck, etc.
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@LuFins-Dad said in White House Redefines Recession:
CNBC
GDP fell 0.9% in the second quarter, the second straight decline and a strong recession signal
CNN
US economy contracts again, fueling recession fears
FOX
US economy enters technical recession after growth tumbles 0.9% in the second quarter
NPR (lol)
U.S. economy just had a 2nd quarter of negative growth. Is it in a recession?
Newsweek (lol again)
U.S. GDP Update Live: Economy Enters Recession Under Biden
If it walks like a duck, etc.
@Jolly said in White House Redefines Recession:
If it walks like a duck, etc.
Yeah. What pisses me off is that, for all these decades, all these "experts" have tossed out the "R-word" to mean two quarters of contraction.
Never, did the talking heads say what they're saying now - "Wait a minute, that's not really what a recession is. You didn't hear us right
two years, five years, twenty years, 32 years,40 years ago. Why weren't you paying attention, pleb?"
